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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday we've got a big time

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roundtable discussion ready for you all

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and we're gonna be joined by Karen

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Burrard Earl Grey rich Hoffmann Shane

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herd Alejandro Rojas and dr. irina scott

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reviewing the first episode of

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unidentified inside America's UFO and

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investigation it's out finally after all

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this time the TTS a group has finally

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gotten their TV show on the road

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telling their story their way and let's

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let's get right down to it what did

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everyone think of the show just go ahead

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This Is Earl I thought it was wonderful

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I thought it was soft disclosure not the

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whole story but hey you know it's

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getting to you know a mass audience that

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you know used to ask me where my tinfoil

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hat was and now people ask me better

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questions yeah yeah this is Shane I

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enjoyed it very much as well and I

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watched it through twice and the first

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time I watched it you know for me

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personally you know as a person you know

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I have some knowledge on the subject and

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then the second time I tried to watch it

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from the perspective of someone that you

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know was new or just interested or you

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know like maybe my wife would interpret

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it not I was really satisfied from both

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perspectives because you know gave me

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some of the meat I needed to see in here

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and yet it was laid out in a cogent and

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simple and direct forward way that a

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newcomer you know could certainly get

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with the program pretty quick on it this

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is rich I think after you know we put

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together our 270 page paper honey you

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know for me it was a little bit like ok

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you know I know but I was very happy to

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see the female pilot come forward you

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know she didn't reveal our identity but

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you actually engaged in

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telling her her perspective which we had

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not had a chance to do so there were

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elements of the the case that were

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discussed which I was particularly

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pleased that they did the way they did

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it yeah they didn't beat around the bush

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and that was a bit of a bit of a coup

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for them to actually get her on even in

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the shadows with her identity not

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properly revealed but you know we knew

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she was out there and talked about for a

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long time that some insiders Paco

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cirucci I think a flavour as well and

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said behind the scenes she's never gonna

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come forward so this was a nice little

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coup for them and she was very

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compelling yeah I totally agree with

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that I think that I really found it

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great that they used her to kind of walk

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the narrative through the Nimitz because

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for those of us like all of us here

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we're all very familiar with the Nimitz

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case some of us more than others but all

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of us know quite a bit about it we've

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read all the reports we've heard from

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many of the witnesses but even we got to

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see something new by sitting there and

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watching her for the first time share

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the story from her perspective with

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flavor coming in and other great

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graphics and that was that was great

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that was really cool to see yeah I

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thought the the amount of emotion she

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displayed was pretty compelling as well

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you know you know flavor obviously he's

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you know he's a confident guy and and

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sense that they they were a little

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unnerved by the whole thing and I think

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that made that storyline pretty

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compelling as well and this was

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interesting as she talked she was when

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this event took place she was very new

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and yes and another thing that had been

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discussed as sort of a amongst the geeks

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like us who follow have been following

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every the smallest breadcrumb the

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smallest detail it had been said that

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the incident shook her up and still even

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after all this time that sort of came

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across in the interview you know I I

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great you have flavor who is seasoned

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excited man here's something new and

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different I want to go take a look at

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what the heck is going on down here and

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then she's apprehensive and you you kind

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of read some of that in the report where

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she was kind of like whoa you know

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they're asking if we have weapons and

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that kind of kicked them out but you got

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more of a sense of the emotion and you

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know the fear when they're asking if

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they have weapons like oh my gosh you

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know why they asked this before we're

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you know zeroing in on this weird thing

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ordnance you don't carry ordinates

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during war games you hope to have

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everybody come home from that even ask

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yeah hi this is Karen and I just wanted

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to add I'd heard this story many times

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but it wasn't until I watched the show

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that it really became alive for me and

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it really got me excited because even

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though I'd heard it before

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seeing the recreations on the television

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how amazing and how overwhelming this

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must have been seeing this you know

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forty foot kick kack doing all these

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weird things and it just really brought

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it to life for me which I really enjoyed

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that's awesome I'm guessing that none of

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the pilots it's not like they were UFO

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people ya know this you got a figure you

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know I mean you're there they're

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expecting drug runners and suddenly you

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know it's Independence Day as David

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important for us to maybe mention to our

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non UFO acquaintances and family that

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hey maybe you'd like to watch this show

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because it's not a weird you know far

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out there show because there's so many

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people that don't even watch a UFO show

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if it has the words you know if they

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know it's about UFOs because they think

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it's going to be just like all the other

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shows have been before

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whereas this show is different this show

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has people who are currently in the

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military this you know this is happening

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now in in recent times but I think that

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more people that aren't into UFOs will

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want to watch but unless they know that

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they won't even tuned in

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the whole tone of the program and kind

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of the pace of it but the way they laid

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it out and and you know went back and

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commentary and stuff was it was

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different than most other UFO shows and

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it you know it just had that serious you

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know tone to it that was you know really

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and for the audience right what is like

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a regular news show yeah I want to know

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and I think you all felt you all

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probably felt this way I did there was a

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lot of this expressed online we were all

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fearful of course we seen the TV shows

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result and and a lot of us had fear that

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you know this wouldn't be treated well

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and seriously but I was happily you know

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glad that you know all of my fears were

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it this is a boring show and that was

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probably somebody used to the

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fantastical UFO that was like you know

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what that's what we need we need a very

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boring UFO show for the UFO people so

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the regular people will actually

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appreciate it opposed with ancient

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aliens how about that it was like

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antarctica stuff you know and we though

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really yeah I'll take boring any day

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Hynek over Hancock you know I was

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getting to know who we is because you

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know let's face it a lot of people just

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mistrust a lot of us you know and others

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experiences around certain cases where

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the you know you have the CIA coming in

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and confiscating all the data and stuff

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like that so they're going to hopefully

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do and I think they are going to be

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going through and explaining more and

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more about who he is and what what

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they're trying to do and and that'll be

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good I think that they'll give us a

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little bit more confidence in what

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they're about yeah I mean he's a really

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regular great really regular guy that's

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easy to talk to but he has been through

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a lot of stuff in his life so this guy

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is very impressive

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he's got his background you know a lot

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of most stuff he can't even talk about

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but the guy's been through a lot

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about that I think I just they had a lot

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of information to tackle in this first

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episode and I just you know as someone

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who writes about this I know it's always

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hard to be concise and thorough but they

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did such a great job with all of the

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backgrounds because the backgrounds of

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all of these individuals is

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extraordinary it's really important

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to anything else related to anything on

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television or much on television I

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thought they did a great job being able

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to present all of their backgrounds

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accurately and thoroughly and still

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present much of the nimitz case yeah I

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was fantastic I mean um I was super

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impressed with Chris Mellon I mean that

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guy here I the way he speaks and you

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know his he's articulate yet he's down

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to earth and you know again a Hollywood

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actor yeah the way he's coming across is

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a lot better than what he did I think

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initially no no you can see that happen

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as you see him more and more on TV I

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thought he did a great job the other day

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he's an impressive character and what

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amazes me is the guy could have done

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nothing with his life he probably had so

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much money he could have done nothing

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but yeah he dedicated his life to

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actually you know doing a lot and he

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worked really hard thank goodness

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well it takes a while it takes a while

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to develop these media skills if you

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but a TV way back in the day back in

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December of seventeen and maybe a little

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bit after that he looked like he'd

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rather be in a combat zone than in front

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he's completely told me you know he says

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I'm an introvert not an extrovert you

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know and this is very new territory for

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me to have to come out and be on TV and

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and it's awkward yeah you know and I

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would like to hear what you guys think

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I've warned him that you know you may

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become fairly famous I mean look at

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Giorgio of course he's got the goofy

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hair and stuff but but Giorgio is also a

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very nice guy very approachable I'm I

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really like Giorgio but lose like that

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also and I think that you know he been

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crossed that way on the show he could

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become if this show does well and it

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could be I'm you know viewpoint cannot

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be about a credible UFO show maybe the

283
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public won't be is excited about that

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but he could get you know some pretty

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decent notoriety through all of this I

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don't know that he wants that he doesn't

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and he doesn't but I'm like dude this

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could happen you better be ready with

289
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the tattoo sleeves he's got you know and

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you know I mean who is saying that he's

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he's kind of x-files and out no he's not

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x-files he's more like Bruce Springsteen

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suddenly comes out you know when he's a

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dude you want to sit and have a beer

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with no doubt yeah he's the guy you went

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for the bouncer - hey hey I had kind of

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a question maybe that maybe rich or dr.

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Scott or anyone who's had involvement

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with um you know the military-industrial

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complex so to say you know did you did

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you guys notice either anything the

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words they used or the way they said

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things or the things they didn't say in

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a certain way did that catch your

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attention at all do you know what I'm

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trying to get out it you know like I

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work in government there's just certain

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things you terms you don't use because

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they have all this connotation

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into it and you know you say it in a

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different way I mean did you guys pick

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up on anything like that well he asked

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several times he mentions I won't say

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anything classified and he kept bringing

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in that in probably make him feel better

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yeah I think that that's the way I even

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my interactions with him you know at the

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conference and stuff like that the guys

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you know I mean first off he's extremely

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patriotic and he's a good soldier and

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he's you know he's gone through working

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in an intelligence capacity and access

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to a lot of information and you know you

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sit there and you question you know can

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I have a conversation about this even my

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family you know and can I bring up these

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topics and you know and what's you know

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and you try to be mindful of you know

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well what do I say and can I say this

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and you know you don't want to be hauled

331
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off but I think from what I see is he's

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trying to be very careful he will you

333
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know call it very quickly and say I can

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talk about something and you know if

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you're in very you know you have to look

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at this this this project initially was

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looked at it being a SAP program okay

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and in the context of it being a special

339
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access program that you can't even talk

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about the fact that you work in that

341
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program you can't you can't have your

342
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name attached to it so all this like

343
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controversy that's going on about what

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he didn't work for this project or

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whatever like that you know that's all

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potentially like you know you've covered

347
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up if you would there's always like a

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false story or or something like that

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because you can't have that he'll be

350
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connected at a different level versus

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the program so anyway that being said

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you know yes you'll you'll run across

353
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him being very careful being very

354
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providing very professional about it yes

355
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and and I and I applaud his wanting to

356
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be discreet at the same time being

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cautious rang rich I had a question for

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you you know we were talking a little

359
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bit messaging where you were saying that

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this must have been sanctioned by the

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the Department of Defense because if it

362
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hadn't been these pilots everybody that

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gone on record they'd be imprisoned

364
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right now I mean you're you're familiar

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with security oaths could you talk a

366
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little bit about that because I found it

367
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very interesting yeah I mean so what

368
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happens with a lot of these things and I

369
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ran across this back when I gave a a UFO

370
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presentation at wright-patterson Air

371
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Force Base to the FTD people your matter

372
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these decades and decades ago but I mean

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back like I started I was talking with

374
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one individual and the typical thing is

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that once you have an encounter or

376
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something like that and you hear it from

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frayberg you know well we come back and

378
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we meet with the the intelligence guy

379
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and we sign non-disclosures or something

380
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like that saying we won't talk about

381
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what we saw you know and you know

382
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they're debriefed and so then you know

383
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what happens is over a period of time in

384
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case of you know which you might run

385
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across like these Nimitz guys there

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they're no longer active duty and and

387
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then suddenly you hear them coming

388
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forward with discussing their cases well

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what I find extremely compelling now is

390
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that you've got active duty soldiers

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that probably have had to do the same

392
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thing and they're now openly discussing

393
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their cases you know and that type thing

394
00:18:07,299 --> 00:18:05,780
but they're also not you know you don't

395
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see them saying here are the coordinates

396
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for the the for our ship and you don't

397
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see them talking about the date yet of

398
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when that incident happened in terms of

399
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the Roosevelt know I'm talking about

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right

401
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so off the East Coast so there are still

402
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elements that look like you know and

403
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even in the videos that they've scrub

404
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they scrubbed off the the GPS

405
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coordinates and some of the metadata so

406
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I what I'm trying to tell you is it's

407
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it's it's extremely interesting that you

408
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see that happening where active-duty

409
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soldiers are able to talk and when I

410
00:18:44,830 --> 00:18:43,340
talked with Lou about it basically said

411
00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:44,840
well you know that's the stuff that

412
00:18:52,810 --> 00:18:49,430
they've been working to to have happen

413
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behind the scenes with the department so

414
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that would tell that would tell me that

415
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there's somebody it's look at the PA oh

416
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the Public Affairs Office or something

417
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which typically gets involved when you

418
00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:04,070
go up and you get in front of the

419
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:05,810
cameras and stuff like that would have

420
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:08,290
probably somehow granted your release

421
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:10,970
that was a real interesting point that

422
00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:13,760
you brought up regarding GPS coordinates

423
00:19:18,580 --> 00:19:15,860
and so on one of the most astonishing

424
00:19:21,340 --> 00:19:18,590
things I find about this Nimitz case is

425
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:21,350
after they had their initial sighting of

426
00:19:29,770 --> 00:19:27,610
the UFO they were then went on to a

427
00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:29,780
predetermined rendezvous point that they

428
00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:34,310
called a cap point and the UFO was

429
00:19:38,650 --> 00:19:37,310
actually there waiting for them when

430
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:38,660
they got there I think that is

431
00:19:44,350 --> 00:19:42,170
absolutely astonishing and does anyone

432
00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:44,360
want to venture a guess as to how that

433
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:50,360
might have happened or discuss it they

434
00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:51,770
can read the minds and they know where

435
00:19:55,870 --> 00:19:52,910
they're going before they're even going

436
00:19:57,970 --> 00:19:55,880
there he David framer said that he did

437
00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:57,980
not have the coordinates memorized

438
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:02,480
though that it was on a screen so they

439
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:04,010
were actually reading oh yeah that's

440
00:20:08,110 --> 00:20:05,810
right they were there they were reading

441
00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:08,120
the tech you know from the planes and

442
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:10,940
the planes themselves or or maybe from

443
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the you know Nimitz

444
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:17,660
I just had from the future so they

445
00:20:27,910 --> 00:20:25,840
say that a similar thing that you know

446
00:20:29,650 --> 00:20:27,920
they did have that in their databases or

447
00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:29,660
it was essentially in the computer

448
00:20:35,380 --> 00:20:32,870
system so yeah not necessarily in their

449
00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:35,390
minds but that is very important so

450
00:20:41,530 --> 00:20:38,540
somehow I mean it's apparent it the odds

451
00:20:43,660 --> 00:20:41,540
are that somehow whatever this was

452
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,670
somehow was able to access that

453
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,760
information

454
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:48,080
member that they got went into this

455
00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:50,330
during the show but we know that the

456
00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:52,670
flavor has discussed his onboard radar

457
00:20:58,690 --> 00:20:56,360
was jammed yet the radar from the the

458
00:21:00,040 --> 00:20:58,700
Princeton I was able to pick these UFOs

459
00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:00,050
up in fact that's how our they were

460
00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:01,670
directed to the location in the first

461
00:21:07,630 --> 00:21:02,270
place

462
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:07,640
Frank let me clarify okay so his radar

463
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:11,570
system was not jammed was not okay okay

464
00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:15,200
so he he only saw it visually okay him

465
00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:18,860
and the the other his wizzo and yeah I

466
00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:21,350
mean the other plane so what he

467
00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:24,350
describes is the fact that was what was

468
00:21:30,669 --> 00:21:28,340
jamming was the third crew that went out

469
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,679
that actually had the app flare on it

470
00:21:35,410 --> 00:21:32,720
that when he came back that they

471
00:21:39,130 --> 00:21:35,420
indicate okay sense that though that

472
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:39,140
flight crew was had the jamming okay and

473
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:40,970
and then when you know the other

474
00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:42,650
interesting point here that I want to

475
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:45,860
make is that we never we were never

476
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:48,650
clear about whether the radar tapes that

477
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:51,650
were being discussed on the on the ship

478
00:21:58,150 --> 00:21:55,490
were that of the the Princeton or what

479
00:22:01,570 --> 00:21:58,160
and it turns out it was according to

480
00:22:04,690 --> 00:22:01,580
favor it was he had two tapes handed to

481
00:22:08,590 --> 00:22:04,700
him from that third crew one was of the

482
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:08,600
object that they got the at flare on and

483
00:22:15,490 --> 00:22:13,360
then the other tape was the radar now he

484
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:15,500
allegedly says that he looked at both

485
00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:19,120
but he doesn't clarify is that the radar

486
00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:21,980
you know would have been jammed and and

487
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:23,929
that that would have what that would

488
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:25,970
have given on that tape I have no idea

489
00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:28,010
but but he made it very clear it was the

490
00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:29,750
third crew that was out that that's the

491
00:22:34,030 --> 00:22:31,190
whir of the jamming took place because

492
00:22:37,150 --> 00:22:34,040
we very carefully looked at what on his

493
00:22:39,910 --> 00:22:37,160
flight was he jammed and he said no okay

494
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,920
so I so rich that third flight that was

495
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:41,840
there that pilot go who goes by the name

496
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:43,610
of cheeks is it that fellow we're

497
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:47,600
talking about here no no it's not so let

498
00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:52,130
me clarify that you had cheeks Kurth

499
00:23:00,490 --> 00:22:56,150
Colonel Kirk was in the marine group he

500
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:00,500
was on that that marine based aircraft

501
00:23:04,419 --> 00:23:02,210
remember that they were playing a game

502
00:23:06,850 --> 00:23:04,429
the game was that they were supposed to

503
00:23:08,350 --> 00:23:06,860
have a game go to the cat point the the

504
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:08,360
two planes were supposed to be at the

505
00:23:13,419 --> 00:23:09,890
cat point and they were gonna be the

506
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:13,429
blue team the friendlies and the non

507
00:23:16,030 --> 00:23:15,530
friendlies was going to be the marine

508
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:16,040
group

509
00:23:22,990 --> 00:23:20,480
which is curved cakes and they were they

510
00:23:25,210 --> 00:23:23,000
were set up out in the ocean in fact

511
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:25,220
what you find out is Perth is the one

512
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:27,410
who actually saw the bubbling of the

513
00:23:34,030 --> 00:23:32,330
water before free burden okay so because

514
00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:34,040
he was already out in that in that

515
00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:38,200
general area and actually saw it first

516
00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:43,700
but he didn't see the tic-tac just very

517
00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:46,700
clear you that that if the radar jamming

518
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:48,350
was very interesting in our report you'd

519
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:51,770
have to read it but but what flavor will

520
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:53,930
tell you is that there's active and

521
00:23:59,530 --> 00:23:57,290
passive jamming and this was active

522
00:24:02,020 --> 00:23:59,540
jamming meaning that whatever it was

523
00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:02,030
typically could have led to them going

524
00:24:08,110 --> 00:24:04,600
into full combat have they had weapons

525
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:08,120
yes great the statement that it's an act

526
00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:11,960
of war two jam-packed if Jam is an act

527
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:16,160
of war so again this whole threat you

528
00:24:20,620 --> 00:24:18,950
know connotation to this I mean again

529
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:20,630
you're in the military you're you're

530
00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:23,600
engaged in this way you can't you can't

531
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:25,720
blame them for interpreting in that way

532
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:28,520
and they showed up at the cap point and

533
00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:29,930
that's where they're supposed to meet

534
00:24:35,290 --> 00:24:32,420
their you know their enemy they're as

535
00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:35,300
crazy so what were we being told there

536
00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:37,670
that's a little scary you know isn't it

537
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,700
yeah excuse me I wonder if at first they

538
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:42,320
thought they were being tested with some

539
00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:45,890
new you know being you know not told

540
00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:47,060
about what was gonna happen and they

541
00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:50,420
were being tested at first yeah braver

542
00:24:54,790 --> 00:24:52,580
did talk about that they and and others

543
00:24:57,580 --> 00:24:54,800
that they had assumed and favor even

544
00:25:00,160 --> 00:24:57,590
said this in an organ that they had

545
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,170
assumed what they were catching on radar

546
00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:02,000
up until this point and we heard this

547
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:04,280
actually in those clips from the the

548
00:25:08,430 --> 00:25:06,650
guys at the Roosevelt too that they had

549
00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:08,440
assumed that whatever they were seeing

550
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:11,960
most likely was ours some sort of

551
00:25:16,150 --> 00:25:13,910
top-secret project being tested in the

552
00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:16,160
area both of the locations were these

553
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:17,480
incidents happened they were during

554
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:20,960
training during testing periods you know

555
00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:22,910
Tyler drove away has made the point that

556
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:25,220
they were testing even new radar

557
00:25:29,890 --> 00:25:28,250
technologies at the time so that's what

558
00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:29,900
a lot of the pilots thought

559
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:33,080
but framer said that you know and what's

560
00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:34,850
important about flavor I think in his

561
00:25:39,549 --> 00:25:37,280
testimony is that when this occurred he

562
00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:39,559
actively investigated at the time he

563
00:25:43,630 --> 00:25:41,240
collected the information such as a

564
00:25:46,330 --> 00:25:43,640
radar data available to him he looked at

565
00:25:49,660 --> 00:25:46,340
the videos he talked to his colleagues

566
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:49,670
on the different ship so he investigated

567
00:25:54,910 --> 00:25:51,410
to look into what the heck did I just

568
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:54,920
experience and it wasn't until time

569
00:25:59,710 --> 00:25:56,930
passed that he began to believe this was

570
00:26:01,540 --> 00:25:59,720
definitely not ours he felt if it was

571
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,550
ours there's no way they could have kept

572
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:02,720
that secret and I wouldn't have

573
00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:05,240
discovered that over the years so this

574
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:07,190
has got to be something else is how he

575
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:10,010
felt that's what he expressed in Oregon

576
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:12,170
but by the way the other thing is that

577
00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:16,400
these were new brand-new f-18 model FS

578
00:26:22,419 --> 00:26:19,550
that were just out and the first time

579
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:22,429
from Boeing so these are new aircraft

580
00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:27,110
they're on tube so wow they were

581
00:26:34,330 --> 00:26:29,720
checking them out I've got a question

582
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:34,340
you know this is Earl again that they

583
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:38,510
saw the white water down below and that

584
00:26:43,270 --> 00:26:41,450
kind of I have the feeling that didn't

585
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:43,280
that kind of divert them from going to

586
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,170
where they were originally getting the

587
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:47,840
radar hits off of Catalina Island I

588
00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:51,170
wonder how this led no no they weren't

589
00:26:55,930 --> 00:26:53,000
at the merge point so they saw the

590
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,940
bubbling water at what they called the

591
00:26:59,760 --> 00:26:57,679
merge point is essentially in the

592
00:27:04,060 --> 00:26:59,770
location that we're supposed to go to

593
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:04,070
but that brought the attention to the

594
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:08,570
area where the tic-tac was okay which

595
00:27:11,950 --> 00:27:10,130
was a completely different direction

596
00:27:14,169 --> 00:27:11,960
from Catalina Island by the way I mean

597
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:14,179
they were going out to the I think the

598
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:19,010
west where the ship was actually located

599
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:23,210
at the time and so they were they were

600
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,650
going out in a completely opposite

601
00:27:29,950 --> 00:27:27,679
direction from Catalina Island where on

602
00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:29,960
the previous days there was a lot of

603
00:27:35,049 --> 00:27:32,750
this like you know activity that was be

604
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:35,059
reported by Kevin day where these things

605
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:37,130
were popping down from high altitudes

606
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:45,230
you know I want to ask Shane put you on

607
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:47,700
the spot a little and because there's

608
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:49,110
certainly a lot of information that's

609
00:27:52,220 --> 00:27:50,340
not being shared

610
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,230
I wonder what were you getting at what

611
00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:54,539
were you noticing Shane that made you

612
00:28:03,289 --> 00:27:59,000
ask that question yeah I thought that

613
00:28:05,299 --> 00:28:03,299
Lou was very measured in what he said in

614
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:05,309
the way he said it and he was he was

615
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:07,559
very careful it appeared to me anyway

616
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:10,500
that he was very careful how he chose

617
00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:13,650
his words and you know that's kind of

618
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:16,200
obvious from the perspective that hey we

619
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:18,210
want to make sure this show is credible

620
00:28:22,610 --> 00:28:20,250
and we don't want to speculate but I

621
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:22,620
thought there might even something

622
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:26,039
deeper you know from and nothing nothing

623
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,710
conspiratorial I'm just saying from you

624
00:28:32,270 --> 00:28:30,360
know somebody who has knowledge working

625
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,280
with the military with intelligence

626
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:34,799
again you know I have that experience in

627
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:36,570
government where they're just things you

628
00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:39,240
don't say in a certain way because of

629
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:42,270
the political ramifications or and I

630
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:44,460
kind of got that feeling that you know

631
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,440
all of them really but in particular Lou

632
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:48,480
cuz this shows you know well he's a

633
00:28:53,419 --> 00:28:51,210
filing him Lou did say in Alabama at the

634
00:28:56,539 --> 00:28:53,429
scu conference that he has to be very

635
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:56,549
careful because there are people in in

636
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:58,530
on the inside who are not happy with

637
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:00,600
that with the information he's sharing

638
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:02,490
and he has to be careful what he says

639
00:29:06,770 --> 00:29:04,289
because they're watching everything he

640
00:29:11,899 --> 00:29:06,780
says just in case he mentioned something

641
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:11,909
beyond what he should share yeah and I

642
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:14,370
want to jump in here because one thing

643
00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:16,650
that he was quoted as saying in the show

644
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:18,900
it was right there forever and that was

645
00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:21,330
it he was asked at your conference rich

646
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:25,830
as well the question was basically about

647
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:29,010
frequency and in the show Elizondo is

648
00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:31,110
quoted as saying that is a sensitive

649
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:33,870
number and I want to get some feedback

650
00:29:38,419 --> 00:29:35,880
on that I thought that was a kind of a

651
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:38,429
key statement not a very long-winded one

652
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:41,510
but I think it's very interesting yeah

653
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:43,530
one of the other things that I want to

654
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:45,210
bring up about Lou is that he pointed

655
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,850
out he said you know I and he you saw

656
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:49,980
this early on when you know you didn't

657
00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:51,809
hear him talking about being connected

658
00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:52,920
at all to be

659
00:29:57,980 --> 00:29:54,990
a sec program he didn't talk about that

660
00:30:00,620 --> 00:29:57,990
right no it was part of the eight okay

661
00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:00,630
and and then the other point here that I

662
00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:02,700
want to make is that you don't want to

663
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,350
hit you want to hear him making

664
00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:05,940
statements about what the current

665
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,070
program is he's still in contact with

666
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:10,860
the lead for that but I mean he's not

667
00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:12,810
and he's not outing that person and

668
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:14,670
they've gone on and changed the name of

669
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,500
it and everything else but but the point

670
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:18,720
is that I'm trying to get out he will

671
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,650
not speak or speculate even about that

672
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:25,380
kind of thing he'll only talk about what

673
00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:28,440
he feels that he can talk about and what

674
00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:31,100
he was actively involved with yes

675
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:33,390
something else I don't know if everyone

676
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:35,310
knows this when he was involved with

677
00:30:41,780 --> 00:30:39,180
this he never researched anything in the

678
00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:41,790
UFO field he didn't go around and say

679
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,070
let me look up any background he did

680
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:45,840
nothing of that because he said he

681
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:49,500
didn't want any anything to affect his

682
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,090
judgment of what was happening so he

683
00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:53,520
doesn't know about any of the UFO stuff

684
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:56,190
that he does now but yeah he didn't know

685
00:31:00,440 --> 00:30:58,650
any of the authors any other researchers

686
00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:00,450
he knew nothing about UFO research

687
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:02,580
previously I think the word he used was

688
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:05,130
loot he didn't want to pollute his

689
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:08,700
opinion by looking into what's been said

690
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:11,310
in the past right he's very smart

691
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:14,730
I think yeah well that time that has

692
00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:17,910
changed that because he did discuss the

693
00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:19,590
history of UFOs it was basically the

694
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:21,750
lion's share of his presentation when

695
00:31:30,860 --> 00:31:29,100
they went to Italy so you've got

696
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:30,870
multiple levels where he's got to be

697
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:32,340
very careful he's got to be careful not

698
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:33,360
to talk about anything

699
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:35,370
classified he's got to be careful not to

700
00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:37,110
talk about anything he doesn't want to

701
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:39,180
share that his friends and on the inside

702
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:40,730
wouldn't want him to share cuz he

703
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:43,290
respects you know his colleagues and

704
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:45,660
then he's also got to make sure that

705
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:49,440
he's not overstating anything which

706
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:51,090
we're all prone to do at times you know

707
00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:53,850
when we get excited about that so yeah

708
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:56,220
so and the background he's got this this

709
00:32:00,920 --> 00:31:59,220
metering that has to happen and that's

710
00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:00,930
why he doesn't like doing this public

711
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,150
speaking stuff but I think that we I

712
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,360
think he does a great job with it yeah

713
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,340
I agree I think he does very well that

714
00:32:14,060 --> 00:32:10,980
he comes across very credible and very

715
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,070
very measured and careful and he does

716
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:16,159
that and he's trying to be very precise

717
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:18,809
he doesn't get into the speculation you

718
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,769
don't hear him saying that they're

719
00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:21,720
aliens right you know he he's very

720
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:23,880
cautious about saying that he said well

721
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:25,590
and you know it's it's one of the

722
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,630
hypotheses it even Chris Mellon saying

723
00:32:31,820 --> 00:32:29,159
you know it's like it's one of the

724
00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:31,830
hypotheses but we've also got to look at

725
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:33,480
the fact that it could be potentially

726
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:35,250
something else that we just don't know

727
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,450
and and yeah

728
00:32:40,639 --> 00:32:39,179
precisely we just don't know do you know

729
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:40,649
everything that the Russians have in

730
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,539
their back door you never everything the

731
00:32:48,860 --> 00:32:44,580
Chinese have no we don't I mean okay so

732
00:32:50,899 --> 00:32:48,870
we rely on Intel and but still you've

733
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:50,909
got something that's outperforming and

734
00:32:55,159 --> 00:32:53,070
breaking you know like what we typically

735
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:55,169
see in laws of physics as we know them

736
00:32:59,769 --> 00:32:56,820
anyway mm-hmm

737
00:33:04,009 --> 00:32:59,779
and how do you how do you reconcile that

738
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:04,019
and and then you go talking around with

739
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,370
people that you know that are in

740
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:07,860
high-level positions that and and Boeing

741
00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:10,860
and Boeing are Lockheed Martin and you

742
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:13,590
know they got the the gentlemen from

743
00:33:17,419 --> 00:33:15,809
Lockheed Martin who works at the skunk

744
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:17,429
works he said well we can't do anything

745
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,919
like that okay right yeah I'm just

746
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,480
really excited for the rest of the show

747
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,399
because I'm thinking you know we've

748
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:29,039
we've known about the three short films

749
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:30,899
that for Nimitz and the tic-tac and all

750
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:32,220
those we've all been known about those

751
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:35,070
for quite a while and much of that was

752
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:36,779
in the very first show so I'm thinking

753
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:38,850
what's gonna be in those next five shows

754
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:43,559
that's coming up a little bit I mean I

755
00:33:47,629 --> 00:33:46,019
do know that my conversation with Lou I

756
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:47,639
said I asked him are you gonna get into

757
00:33:52,220 --> 00:33:49,529
the how many other cases they're gonna

758
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:52,230
be getting into with other Navy ships

759
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:53,820
and stuff like you know the USS

760
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:56,490
Bainbridge or the USS boxer he said I'm

761
00:34:00,440 --> 00:33:57,659
not we're not getting into those this

762
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:00,450
this season because we had we had to cut

763
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,240
him off because we just have so much in

764
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:06,480
six shows to do in six add six hours or

765
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:09,240
whatever it was you know and so that he

766
00:34:13,579 --> 00:34:11,129
said that they ended up on the editing

767
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:13,589
floor and hopefully if they get to do

768
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:15,810
with their season then they can start to

769
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:18,460
talk about those other events

770
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:20,230
so that means there's a lot of stuff

771
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:21,670
that's just gonna be coming out every

772
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:23,470
week that's gonna be new that's

773
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:27,220
wonderful yeah you said focus on Oh at

774
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:30,760
the Roosevelt and that's the one in 2015

775
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:34,750
off the east coast near Florida and that

776
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:36,520
one's gonna have a lot that's the one

777
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:39,370
with the gimbal and the gun ah yeah that

778
00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:41,410
seems to be coming up next week and a

779
00:34:46,110 --> 00:34:43,540
little snippet from that was shown at

780
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:46,120
the end of the show this past Friday and

781
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:48,490
what I thought was interesting one

782
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:52,000
little piece is apparently that one of

783
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:54,610
the pilots on camera is confirming that

784
00:34:59,940 --> 00:34:58,480
the audio to those two videos is in fact

785
00:35:02,250 --> 00:34:59,950
legitimate there's been a lot of

786
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:02,260
question about that but he did seem to

787
00:35:06,990 --> 00:35:05,770
confirm that so is anyone that did been

788
00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:07,000
something that has been questioned

789
00:35:13,470 --> 00:35:09,750
widely that pilots don't talk that way

790
00:35:15,870 --> 00:35:13,480
this can't possibly be legit you bring

791
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:15,880
up a great point here because that that

792
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:17,770
I don't know if it's the next episode I

793
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:19,900
know Kevin days in that we're gonna get

794
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:23,200
morning on Nimitz so at some point

795
00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:24,250
though we're gonna get a lot on

796
00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:27,340
Roosevelt we've gotten maybe about 3 1

797
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:30,460
minute clips from the Roosevelt thing

798
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:33,900
which also one of those clips and I've

799
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,450
you know shared those clips myself on on

800
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:39,760
all of my pages but one of those clips

801
00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:41,980
shows the origins of those two videos

802
00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:45,120
where they discuss how you know the

803
00:35:51,390 --> 00:35:47,350
situation and how they were part of this

804
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:51,400
Roosevelt incident so although we've

805
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:53,530
only got three minutes so far so it's

806
00:35:57,930 --> 00:35:56,230
extremely exciting that I hope we get

807
00:35:59,610 --> 00:35:57,940
kind of like the Nimitz treatment we got

808
00:36:03,270 --> 00:35:59,620
on Roosevelt where they go through the

809
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:03,280
timeline of what happened wind yeah yeah

810
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:05,350
it makes sense to do it that way for

811
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:07,510
sure yeah I want to hear about the the

812
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:10,210
closing incident were they almost you

813
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:16,810
know collided right a near-miss leans in

814
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:19,530
here you know it was an ear yet and

815
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:22,330
apparently at least according to Jeremy

816
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:24,910
Korbel there was actual video of it do

817
00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:29,050
any of us think that that is going to be

818
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,440
shown

819
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:32,240
I don't think there's gonna be any more

820
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:34,490
video than we've seen I can't say that I

821
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:36,890
know that for sure

822
00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:38,810
luckily I'll have an interview sometime

823
00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:40,340
this week with Lou and all I'm gonna ask

824
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:45,740
that very question but cool I thought

825
00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:47,690
there were indications that there might

826
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:50,540
be some new video but I may be wrong and

827
00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:53,830
hopefully you can check that out I'll I

828
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,270
I know that they're also probably going

829
00:37:00,820 --> 00:36:58,160
to at some point talk about the the

830
00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:00,830
metal analysis and so that might be a

831
00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:05,150
part of this ceiling and renovation

832
00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:06,950
yeah Rendlesham that's what I was just

833
00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:08,540
gonna ask I wonder if they have anything

834
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:10,700
new on Rendlesham I mean that would be

835
00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:13,450
interesting well here's something new uh

836
00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:16,700
but we if we piece this all together

837
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:19,640
there have been some inferences from

838
00:37:28,270 --> 00:37:25,010
Nick Pope and burrows that you know the

839
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,280
human research part of all of this and

840
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:30,320
then we've seen these articles from like

841
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:33,530
Nolan kick green dr. kick greenies work

842
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:37,070
with the CIA and work with TSA or a tip

843
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:39,890
at least those I think we've heard from

844
00:37:44,260 --> 00:37:42,290
where they're examining people who have

845
00:37:47,110 --> 00:37:44,270
experiences and they're checking things

846
00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:47,120
like their DNA and and different aspects

847
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:49,160
of the nature of the physical nature of

848
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:50,240
these people to see if they could

849
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:52,910
determine I even interviewed Erik Davis

850
00:37:56,770 --> 00:37:54,650
and he said he was part of this they

851
00:37:58,720 --> 00:37:56,780
took samples from him because Erik Davis

852
00:38:01,150 --> 00:37:58,730
had a lot of experiences at skinwalker

853
00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:01,160
where they're trying to determine people

854
00:38:04,540 --> 00:38:02,840
who have experiences is there something

855
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,550
physical that makes that the case and

856
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:07,520
Nick Pope had inferred in an article

857
00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:10,130
that that was done to the some

858
00:38:15,580 --> 00:38:13,460
Rendlesham witnesses and so it's

859
00:38:17,290 --> 00:38:15,590
possible now that kind of is it as a

860
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:17,300
hush-hush part we don't hear a lot about

861
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:20,680
that from the group but that may be

862
00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:23,030
where they go with Rendlesham that would

863
00:38:28,330 --> 00:38:24,470
be something at least original they

864
00:38:30,490 --> 00:38:28,340
would have I heard Eric Davis where he

865
00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:30,500
was featuring that whole discussion I

866
00:38:34,180 --> 00:38:32,030
can't remember now what it was or which

867
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:34,190
show it was but I'm sure that if you do

868
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:36,290
a google look or something like that

869
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:38,930
you'll probably find Eric Davis but it

870
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,370
was a interesting show because it was

871
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:43,040
our you know our long discussion about

872
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:45,980
that very thing and the fact that they

873
00:38:51,099 --> 00:38:48,440
were looking in and what specifically

874
00:38:53,859 --> 00:38:51,109
they were looking at that will in I

875
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:53,869
think it was in the middle of a camera

876
00:39:01,180 --> 00:38:57,200
which part of brain but yeah it's it's

877
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:01,190
fascinating stuff the hypothalamus what

878
00:39:06,570 --> 00:39:04,940
it changes the hypothalamus I think it

879
00:39:09,130 --> 00:39:06,580
was a very interesting article by dr.

880
00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:09,140
Davis I thought that that was very but

881
00:39:13,450 --> 00:39:10,790
you know I I've always been interested

882
00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:13,460
in neurology it was my best best course

883
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,380
when I was in nursing school you know

884
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:18,560
and and I just kind of ran with it you

885
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:19,910
know have a lot of close friends

886
00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:24,140
actually who are neurologists and and if

887
00:39:27,580 --> 00:39:26,060
this causes a physical change in the

888
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:27,590
human brain you know that's that's

889
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:30,260
really is is this a new sort of

890
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,570
evolution is it a new kind of mutation

891
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:35,359
that we're going through to give us I

892
00:39:39,849 --> 00:39:37,730
don't know cosmic consciousness or well

893
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:39,859
you know it's just very very interesting

894
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:44,480
well wasn't it project condign that had

895
00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:47,270
a report in it that included sort of a

896
00:39:51,820 --> 00:39:49,940
chart that that indicated you know

897
00:39:53,950 --> 00:39:51,830
different physical effects on different

898
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:53,960
people according to the level of

899
00:39:58,359 --> 00:39:56,510
exposure they had to UFOs and it's um

900
00:40:01,120 --> 00:39:58,369
it's part of what led to john burroughs

901
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:01,130
you know getting his um his medical

902
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:02,660
records released so that he can deal

903
00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:03,170
with that

904
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:06,470
oh yeah it wasn't necessarily what it

905
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:10,160
was was Condon was making the argument

906
00:40:16,030 --> 00:40:13,910
that there are am effects from the UFO

907
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:16,040
occurrences although they were making

908
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:17,630
the argument that it's some sort of

909
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:21,530
plasma phenomena and so they used the

910
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,570
Rendlesham witnesses as an example that

911
00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:25,520
they had suffered some physical effects

912
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,100
apparently from their experience so it

913
00:40:33,580 --> 00:40:31,520
was very speculative ah their statement

914
00:40:35,890 --> 00:40:33,590
around all of this and it was related to

915
00:40:39,310 --> 00:40:35,900
you know kind of this what they felt was

916
00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:39,320
a natural phenomenon but yeah that is

917
00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:41,180
where drom burrow said look you know

918
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:44,180
here's evidence that people at least in

919
00:40:49,810 --> 00:40:47,510
the UK mo d felt that I was affected by

920
00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:49,820
my experience and that did I guess help

921
00:40:56,529 --> 00:40:54,830
with his argument to get his a his VA

922
00:40:58,499 --> 00:40:56,539
privileges but what

923
00:41:01,419 --> 00:40:58,509
so interesting about that one really

924
00:41:04,449 --> 00:41:01,429
weird part is that his health records

925
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,459
were classified for some reason and at

926
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:06,319
least his lawyer had said that that was

927
00:41:11,019 --> 00:41:08,689
very strange at it it's not odd that

928
00:41:13,390 --> 00:41:11,029
people's records would get classified

929
00:41:15,849 --> 00:41:13,400
however this is for people that are

930
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:15,859
working on classified projects Burroughs

931
00:41:20,829 --> 00:41:18,410
was not and so it was odd that they had

932
00:41:22,329 --> 00:41:20,839
classified that and to this day he does

933
00:41:23,979 --> 00:41:22,339
not have those records he worked with

934
00:41:27,130 --> 00:41:23,989
McCain's office and they were able to

935
00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:27,140
correct his military records which were

936
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:29,660
somehow changed and didn't weren't

937
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:32,209
accurate but even McCain's opposite will

938
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:33,410
probably never be able to get those

939
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,369
medical records music the other thing is

940
00:41:47,859 --> 00:41:40,400
the fact that the base has nuclear was

941
00:41:52,509 --> 00:41:47,869
also classified and yes nuclear stuff

942
00:41:54,579 --> 00:41:52,519
over in another country yeah and I don't

943
00:41:56,529 --> 00:41:54,589
know that that's ever been completely

944
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:56,539
acknowledged in fact I don't think Hall

945
00:42:04,929 --> 00:42:00,319
doesn't even talk about that or I don't

946
00:42:06,849 --> 00:42:04,939
even think Nick hey it's been a great

947
00:42:10,509 --> 00:42:06,859
time talking with all you guys but I

948
00:42:20,140 --> 00:42:10,519
gotta get going so I appreciate it Karen

949
00:42:22,359 --> 00:42:20,150
thanks for coming on yeah dr. Scott you

950
00:42:25,899 --> 00:42:22,369
know you out there what what do you

951
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:25,909
think was what do you think that the Tic

952
00:42:30,729 --> 00:42:29,089
Tac incident was telling us do you think

953
00:42:33,579 --> 00:42:30,739
that we action do you think that we

954
00:42:36,609 --> 00:42:33,589
stumbled upon this that it was just you

955
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:36,619
know by accident and they got caught or

956
00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:42,049
do you think mmus actually a show

957
00:42:48,009 --> 00:42:44,390
was it a show of power and and why I

958
00:42:50,439 --> 00:42:48,019
mean I I keep on you know running that

959
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,449
thought through my mind you know I what

960
00:42:55,899 --> 00:42:53,359
were they trying to tell us well in a

961
00:43:00,789 --> 00:42:55,909
lot of cases it seems like it's more of

962
00:43:04,749 --> 00:43:00,799
a display than just a coincidence that

963
00:43:07,439 --> 00:43:04,759
somebody runs into them and it reminds

964
00:43:10,979 --> 00:43:07,449
me of the work of dr. Harley Rutledge

965
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:10,989
who did a real time study

966
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:14,089
UFOs and was finding the same thing that

967
00:43:19,229 --> 00:43:15,710
they could almost read your mind that

968
00:43:22,029 --> 00:43:19,239
they could just change position like

969
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:22,039
according to what sort of what you

970
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:24,650
thought and he said a lot of it is sub

971
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:28,609
living a liminal that it's so it's

972
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:30,200
something that people just don't

973
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:34,220
understand consciously I mean this was

974
00:43:41,049 --> 00:43:38,720
just such an overt show of power and and

975
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:41,059
that they that the guy that the tic-tac

976
00:43:45,759 --> 00:43:43,609
was waiting at the cap point to me and I

977
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:45,769
kind of get chills thinking about that

978
00:43:51,789 --> 00:43:49,369
yeah that's freaky pretty aggressive you

979
00:43:53,799 --> 00:43:51,799
know I mean we've had aggressive shows

980
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:53,809
of power before you know Robert solace

981
00:43:58,450 --> 00:43:55,970
is story of you know the nukes kind of

982
00:44:01,539 --> 00:43:58,460
you know ding ding ding ding you know

983
00:44:03,569 --> 00:44:01,549
turning off and then turning back on yes

984
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,579
we can do this you know this this

985
00:44:08,499 --> 00:44:06,319
discovering ominously over the the

986
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:08,509
missile base that he was stationed at

987
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,249
and we've you know there are other

988
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:12,319
stories that have come out that this

989
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:14,690
happened elsewhere you know in the you

990
00:44:20,979 --> 00:44:16,460
know the former Soviet Union they had

991
00:44:24,009 --> 00:44:20,989
this happen it's it's pretty overt you

992
00:44:26,289 --> 00:44:24,019
know keep in mind if you would if this

993
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:26,299
phenomena has been around as long as it

994
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,930
has been they fully will know how to tap

995
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:32,480
into our data they know how to they know

996
00:44:38,349 --> 00:44:35,420
how to get information they know how to

997
00:44:40,359 --> 00:44:38,359
jam our systems they knew how to turn

998
00:44:43,029 --> 00:44:40,369
off the missile systems they know how to

999
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:43,039
do all different kinds of things that we

1000
00:44:48,279 --> 00:44:45,170
do and they're keeping up with what we

1001
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:48,289
do so I'm not the least bit surprised

1002
00:44:53,769 --> 00:44:51,710
that they would have information to know

1003
00:44:56,859 --> 00:44:53,779
where the cat point is and probably know

1004
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,869
a lot more than that what we want to

1005
00:45:01,299 --> 00:44:59,119
give them credit for and you know think

1006
00:45:04,930 --> 00:45:01,309
about it I mean yeah the same thing that

1007
00:45:07,779 --> 00:45:04,940
we were the trying to collect intel on a

1008
00:45:11,769 --> 00:45:07,789
species that we were like observing and

1009
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:11,779
wanting to to interact with or whatever

1010
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,609
like that or to know about I mean I

1011
00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:15,200
don't I'm not surprised

1012
00:45:20,229 --> 00:45:16,849
from that's the one that's so

1013
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:20,239
interesting now what what about this

1014
00:45:24,339 --> 00:45:23,089
seems maybe really simplistic but when

1015
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,349
I'm curious about it

1016
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,720
when when these things move they're

1017
00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:29,119
clearly exceeding the sound barrier and

1018
00:45:34,839 --> 00:45:32,390
yet no sonic boom I mean is it is it

1019
00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:34,849
even physically possible do we have the

1020
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,700
knowledge or even theory how something

1021
00:45:42,479 --> 00:45:39,680
that could move through the atmosphere

1022
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:42,489
that fast and not cause a sonic boom

1023
00:45:50,890 --> 00:45:45,970
well I know there's there's theory yeah

1024
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,900
theory but it's very even from what I

1025
00:45:54,549 --> 00:45:52,400
understand and people can correct me

1026
00:45:57,249 --> 00:45:54,559
even the theories are things that take

1027
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:57,259
tremendous amounts of energy I think

1028
00:46:02,380 --> 00:45:59,210
that was a really great point that at

1029
00:46:06,759 --> 00:46:02,390
least Peter had made one of the authors

1030
00:46:09,489 --> 00:46:06,769
of the seu report on Nimitz is that you

1031
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:09,499
know all of these things that we

1032
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:12,410
witnessed in order for us and our

1033
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:14,390
understanding to accomplish these things

1034
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:18,890
they would take an extreme amount of

1035
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:21,710
energy a release of extreme amounts of

1036
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:25,130
energy in some cases you know equal to

1037
00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:28,910
you nuclear blasts but we're not seeing

1038
00:46:34,209 --> 00:46:31,640
that in this so it really is

1039
00:46:36,249 --> 00:46:34,219
demonstrating a physics that we don't

1040
00:46:38,579 --> 00:46:36,259
understand yeah

1041
00:46:41,019 --> 00:46:38,589
then take a look at the Navy the Navy

1042
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:41,029
schematics and if you saw that patent

1043
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:43,609
that was put out by the one gentleman up

1044
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:46,700
at NAVAIR and if you look at those

1045
00:46:53,529 --> 00:46:49,569
patents that that that they put in

1046
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:53,539
they're dealing with a right now

1047
00:46:58,289 --> 00:46:55,609
advanced designs and it's the you know

1048
00:47:01,269 --> 00:46:58,299
there's theoretical where they're using

1049
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:01,279
microwave transmitters to be able to

1050
00:47:06,749 --> 00:47:04,190
create what what and by the way Howell

1051
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:06,759
is heavily engaged in this as well but

1052
00:47:13,539 --> 00:47:09,680
if you think about it like creating a

1053
00:47:15,009 --> 00:47:13,549
vacuum around the ship and and that it's

1054
00:47:17,259 --> 00:47:15,019
almost I want to I want to say like

1055
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:17,269
slipstreaming but it's it's slipping

1056
00:47:23,229 --> 00:47:21,170
through the atmosphere without having

1057
00:47:25,690 --> 00:47:23,239
the big bang on the backside like our

1058
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:25,700
aircraft one of the one of the things

1059
00:47:31,569 --> 00:47:29,420
you see that that Lou continues to point

1060
00:47:34,209 --> 00:47:31,579
out is that this is trans medium the

1061
00:47:36,670 --> 00:47:34,219
meaning that it can these are the same

1062
00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:36,680
designed objects maneuver through water

1063
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:38,380
in the air and in

1064
00:47:43,230 --> 00:47:41,140
where we be build things that have a

1065
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:43,240
certain shape and you certain type of

1066
00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:45,940
propulsion and and it's for each of

1067
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:50,260
those individual things water and you

1068
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:52,570
know that a submarine looks quite a you

1069
00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:54,370
know qualitatively different than an

1070
00:47:57,930 --> 00:47:55,900
aircraft that an aircraft looks

1071
00:47:59,460 --> 00:47:57,940
qualitatively different than what we

1072
00:48:03,330 --> 00:47:59,470
have in the way of things we put in

1073
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,340
space so I think that what what it's

1074
00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:05,680
saying here is that we're seeing a

1075
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:09,640
physics that we don't currently have but

1076
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:11,590
the encouraging thing is people are

1077
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:13,810
starting to think about that and oh by

1078
00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:17,890
the way even in that design they built

1079
00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:21,340
some sort of a power system in that

1080
00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:23,860
design to be able to have it create

1081
00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:27,190
energy at a large scale and it can also

1082
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:31,480
it's also able to be able to avoid the

1083
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:36,180
inertia aspects which I think extremely

1084
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:39,520
interesting and compelling so I think

1085
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,670
that you know if there's any you know

1086
00:48:47,070 --> 00:48:45,280
any validity to the patent and and by

1087
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:47,080
the way Lou is very very interested in

1088
00:48:52,830 --> 00:48:51,130
that himself then we might be getting to

1089
00:48:55,290 --> 00:48:52,840
the point where we're starting to see

1090
00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:55,300
how we could actually construct

1091
00:49:00,780 --> 00:48:58,150
something that could do something very

1092
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:00,790
very similar but it's still a ways out

1093
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:02,380
you know in terms of our developing it

1094
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,400
you know ox X and no fire ball no sonic

1095
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:16,240
boom you guys think these things are

1096
00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:18,490
piloted or they remote piloted I mean

1097
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:20,080
why do you build something that's 40

1098
00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:22,090
feet long if there's no crew that's

1099
00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:24,040
another thing I'm wondering about are we

1100
00:49:31,050 --> 00:49:25,600
dealing with drones are we dealing with

1101
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:31,060
ships I tell you think the latter right

1102
00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:33,010
and I think that you know we still

1103
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:34,840
there's still an outstanding question of

1104
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:37,600
whose are they or what but I think that

1105
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:40,030
a lot of what we're talking about at

1106
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:42,490
least is evidence towards an intelligent

1107
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:44,890
nature to these things which would rule

1108
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:47,110
out you know any natural sort of

1109
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:49,210
phenomena even the theory that perhaps

1110
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:52,090
you know sometimes the

1111
00:49:57,900 --> 00:49:55,810
the the veil between other dimensions is

1112
00:50:00,360 --> 00:49:57,910
thin and things can come true at times

1113
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:00,370
this are through that's that's kind of

1114
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:03,210
another theory out there but that this

1115
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:06,130
demonstrates an intelligence where they

1116
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:08,710
they are sort of demonstrating something

1117
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:11,950
to us so that would mean potentially I

1118
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:13,810
mean we can't say it with a hundred

1119
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:15,370
percent certainty I think a large

1120
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:17,770
percent certainty that they're not human

1121
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:21,670
made but then you know that kind of

1122
00:50:30,930 --> 00:50:25,830
factors into I think this conversation

1123
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:30,940
pretty largely as well what one of the

1124
00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:32,980
things that you you you heard very

1125
00:50:41,850 --> 00:50:36,990
eloquently but with flavor was that the

1126
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:41,860
object itself responded to his moves and

1127
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:45,190
and you heard the female talking about

1128
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:47,850
that it seemed as though it was

1129
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:50,470
responding to what he was doing

1130
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:53,710
it specifically knew where to go and you

1131
00:50:59,070 --> 00:50:56,710
know so in that context there's there's

1132
00:51:02,250 --> 00:50:59,080
an intelligence behind it but it knows

1133
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:02,260
how to if it's a drone they know how to

1134
00:51:06,510 --> 00:51:04,810
fly it they knew how where to go and

1135
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:06,520
they knew had all that kind of ability

1136
00:51:10,590 --> 00:51:07,800
to be able to fly the drone

1137
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,600
hypothetically to what they did and they

1138
00:51:14,850 --> 00:51:12,640
were they had visibility and they could

1139
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:14,860
actually see what was going on and and

1140
00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:19,810
and so that's pretty impressive and then

1141
00:51:25,470 --> 00:51:22,540
if you have if you have you know

1142
00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:25,480
somebody it's in it yeah you know okay

1143
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:29,350
well you know can a a small being that's

1144
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:33,280
three or four feet high you know like we

1145
00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:34,630
if we want to believe that that's the

1146
00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:37,960
typical of whatever and then and they

1147
00:51:42,540 --> 00:51:39,700
have the means to be able to see through

1148
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:42,550
the craft or or that they can control it

1149
00:51:46,410 --> 00:51:44,050
with their minds or something like that

1150
00:51:48,990 --> 00:51:46,420
well that's possible too

1151
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:49,000
it's what yeah it's when you get down to

1152
00:51:52,590 --> 00:51:50,950
those objects they're like being seen

1153
00:51:58,410 --> 00:51:52,600
where they're like only the size of a

1154
00:52:00,360 --> 00:51:58,420
baseball small alien right

1155
00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:00,370
yeah the tic-tacs large enough where we

1156
00:52:08,049 --> 00:52:02,380
all could you know do this podcast

1157
00:52:14,419 --> 00:52:11,749
that's one day I'm trying that don't

1158
00:52:16,459 --> 00:52:14,429
spill our secret but I mean that that's

1159
00:52:19,219 --> 00:52:16,469
where it's just a big question mark with

1160
00:52:21,319 --> 00:52:19,229
something this size in and knowing that

1161
00:52:23,269 --> 00:52:21,329
you know of course the g-forces at the

1162
00:52:25,429 --> 00:52:23,279
speed nobody should be able to do that

1163
00:52:27,409 --> 00:52:25,439
but neither should any material be able

1164
00:52:30,979 --> 00:52:27,419
to withstand those g-forces but

1165
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,989
obviously it is so they're able to do

1166
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:33,119
something you know that at least it

1167
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:35,249
seems this thing's exhibiting technology

1168
00:52:39,769 --> 00:52:37,649
that is able to really counter all of

1169
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:39,779
everything we know about physics so it

1170
00:52:43,339 --> 00:52:41,369
could be possible there could be a

1171
00:52:45,859 --> 00:52:43,349
physical being inside of one of those

1172
00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:45,869
things you know I mean one thing that I

1173
00:52:51,919 --> 00:52:49,319
I've heard many many times and stories

1174
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:51,929
from experiencers that I've interviewed

1175
00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:54,599
is that it's sort of Alice in Wonderland

1176
00:53:00,499 --> 00:52:57,169
like how something can be very small

1177
00:53:02,569 --> 00:53:00,509
looking on the outside a craft and once

1178
00:53:07,279 --> 00:53:02,579
they go inside the craft it's suddenly

1179
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:07,289
just huge you know voluminous and so

1180
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:10,169
perhaps I mean if we're talking you know

1181
00:53:18,649 --> 00:53:14,579
folding you know spaces and things like

1182
00:53:20,899 --> 00:53:18,659
that they may have just mastered the

1183
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,909
physical properties of objects to where

1184
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:22,559
something can appear to be baseball

1185
00:53:27,499 --> 00:53:25,380
sized on the outside and you get sucked

1186
00:53:40,489 --> 00:53:27,509
into it and suddenly it's a cathedral

1187
00:53:42,259 --> 00:53:40,499
inside darkness ATAR yeah you know it's

1188
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,269
interesting to me to see that they used

1189
00:53:47,509 --> 00:53:44,880
microwave transmitters in that patent

1190
00:53:50,779 --> 00:53:47,519
and and one of the things that I saw

1191
00:53:52,969 --> 00:53:50,789
early autumn was microwave radiation at

1192
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:52,979
the landing case that I looked at into

1193
00:53:58,399 --> 00:53:55,859
with a 70 foot in diameter area area in

1194
00:53:59,749 --> 00:53:58,409
Ohio was completely the wheat was gone

1195
00:54:02,149 --> 00:53:59,759
and stuff like that there was puffed

1196
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:02,159
wheat but we had microwave radiation and

1197
00:54:07,309 --> 00:54:04,529
so if you think about Kansas and dopost

1198
00:54:11,299 --> 00:54:07,319
and stuff like that microwave kind of

1199
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:11,309
thing is is coming into play that's that

1200
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:14,130
polarizing vacuum that is being

1201
00:54:18,490 --> 00:54:17,579
discussed around the craft you know that

1202
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:18,500
that also

1203
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:21,290
might lead into potentially the glowing

1204
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:25,280
you might have around an object you know

1205
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:27,470
a long time ago Jim McCampbell wrote a

1206
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:29,930
book on ufology and put the physics and

1207
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:31,370
stuff like that that was being discussed

1208
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:33,770
in that book

1209
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:37,160
ufology and you know and when things he

1210
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:39,290
mentioned was that the objects seemingly

1211
00:54:43,630 --> 00:54:41,150
would change colors or something like

1212
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:43,640
that but there's a lot of this stuff we

1213
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:45,530
just you know need to do a better job of

1214
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:48,770
documenting putting it together you know

1215
00:54:53,860 --> 00:54:52,670
eliminating all the ash and trash if you

1216
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:53,870
would and going with some of the better

1217
00:54:57,490 --> 00:54:55,490
cases you know and actually seeing four

1218
00:55:00,280 --> 00:54:57,500
so like for example right now I'd be

1219
00:55:02,860 --> 00:55:00,290
looking to see do the Tic Tacs did

1220
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:02,870
anybody report on the East Coast any of

1221
00:55:08,860 --> 00:55:07,130
that same collect you know there was

1222
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:08,870
like a mirage effect that was being

1223
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:12,290
described around the tic-tac did they

1224
00:55:16,510 --> 00:55:14,270
did anybody see that kind of mirages

1225
00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:16,520
like effect because again that's

1226
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:17,960
indicating some sort of a field around

1227
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:20,390
the object right yeah like a force field

1228
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:23,690
tape yeah some sort of if you would and

1229
00:55:29,110 --> 00:55:26,210
maybe that's how it's helping the

1230
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:29,120
cushion this going through the

1231
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:34,280
atmosphere and not heating up there's no

1232
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:36,470
reentry in the air you know there's no

1233
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:40,160
reentry of like an Apollo capsule coming

1234
00:55:44,020 --> 00:55:42,130
into the atmosphere with exactly

1235
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:44,030
traveling from one hundred and eighty

1236
00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:46,490
thousand feet down to sea level and in

1237
00:55:54,370 --> 00:55:48,500
an instant and there's no fireball

1238
00:55:56,860 --> 00:55:54,380
there's no explosive that's what's

1239
00:55:59,050 --> 00:55:56,870
exciting about the show too is that it's

1240
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,060
of course we can all discuss this and we

1241
00:56:03,970 --> 00:56:02,000
do and you know we're grounded

1242
00:56:06,910 --> 00:56:03,980
level-headed researchers in this field

1243
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:06,920
and you know I we certainly do not feel

1244
00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:09,310
that we're being fringe or or talking

1245
00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:12,830
just out of out of turn you know when

1246
00:56:15,940 --> 00:56:14,030
we're talking about this sort of stuff

1247
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:15,950
but of course we don't have the

1248
00:56:19,690 --> 00:56:17,330
credentials of some of the guys in the

1249
00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:19,700
show so the skeptics can you know kind

1250
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:21,830
of do whatever they want with all of

1251
00:56:26,830 --> 00:56:24,170
this but what's exciting about the show

1252
00:56:29,380 --> 00:56:26,840
and I think what really kind of had me

1253
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,390
feeling really excited watching the show

1254
00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:31,280
is just the level of credibility and

1255
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:31,940
that's

1256
00:56:35,860 --> 00:56:33,410
it's exciting we're gonna be talking

1257
00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:35,870
about these new gimbal video in

1258
00:56:39,550 --> 00:56:37,940
particular for instance because there

1259
00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:39,560
happened that skeptics out there too

1260
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:41,990
bunking some of these videos yet they

1261
00:56:47,710 --> 00:56:44,690
haven't even heard you know the analysis

1262
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:47,720
from the Navy or from whatever whoever

1263
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:50,570
else Lou had look at this in the ain't

1264
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:52,490
hit program but now we're gonna be

1265
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:54,140
hearing from them we heard from flavor

1266
00:56:59,590 --> 00:56:57,290
in Oregon about the gimbal and he was

1267
00:57:01,570 --> 00:56:59,600
supporting the physics why this is not a

1268
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:01,580
plane like some people have explained

1269
00:57:04,750 --> 00:57:03,410
and we're going to be getting more of

1270
00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:04,760
that and we got some of that in the

1271
00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:06,680
first episode from the experts they

1272
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:09,020
brought in that is really exciting to

1273
00:57:12,790 --> 00:57:10,970
hear because you know then they're gonna

1274
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:12,800
get into these real issues like we're

1275
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:15,290
talking about as opposed to a lot of the

1276
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:17,450
skeptics out there assuming these are

1277
00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:19,150
just normal aircraft being

1278
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:23,600
misinterpreted right yeah what things

1279
00:57:28,090 --> 00:57:25,310
like it I get a kick out of this you

1280
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:28,100
know like you know minute if you take a

1281
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:30,770
look at those five five traits of UFOs

1282
00:57:36,850 --> 00:57:34,010
that he talks about I think for the most

1283
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:36,860
part if you've been in ufology as long

1284
00:57:41,110 --> 00:57:39,290
as we have many of us have and you look

1285
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:41,120
at cases you we've had this stuff

1286
00:57:53,980 --> 00:57:42,650
throughout history doing these kind of

1287
00:57:56,590 --> 00:57:53,990
things repulsion when they take off from

1288
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:56,600
a standstill or there's no effects or

1289
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:02,720
that or so it's like what okay yeah but

1290
00:58:06,610 --> 00:58:04,490
you know I'm looking at this show I'm

1291
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,620
not really looking for something new I'm

1292
00:58:11,290 --> 00:58:09,200
looking for verifying what we all have

1293
00:58:13,540 --> 00:58:11,300
been seeing the old stuff right there's

1294
00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:13,550
been no proof it's all speculative but

1295
00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:16,670
now we have credible people you know

1296
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:19,190
very serious people doing some serious

1297
00:58:21,850 --> 00:58:21,050
science you know on a very serious

1298
00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:21,860
subject

1299
00:58:26,350 --> 00:58:24,260
I mean it's finally getting that kind of

1300
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:26,360
consideration and you don't like that

1301
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:30,890
confirmation okay so I you know going to

1302
00:58:36,550 --> 00:58:33,410
your point I think what I'm trying to

1303
00:58:38,350 --> 00:58:36,560
tell you is that if you look back at the

1304
00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:38,360
military cases that have been in the

1305
00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:41,740
past there have been some incredible

1306
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:45,380
encounters by military that

1307
00:58:50,770 --> 00:58:48,080
are oftentimes I mean it's just it's not

1308
00:58:52,330 --> 00:58:50,780
as in front of your face and nobody's

1309
00:58:54,790 --> 00:58:52,340
you know we're not out there talking

1310
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,800
about it and yet you'll hear about those

1311
00:58:58,810 --> 00:58:56,960
cases I mean I've been studying some of

1312
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,820
the Vietnam cases and stuff like that

1313
00:59:04,090 --> 00:59:01,520
that are going on and and you listen to

1314
00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:04,100
a testimony even at the hearings that

1315
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:07,670
were that you often heard up on the hill

1316
00:59:11,740 --> 00:59:09,410
and stuff like that these guys are

1317
00:59:13,870 --> 00:59:11,750
talking about you know an object for

1318
00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:13,880
example that was out at Big Sur that

1319
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:16,700
basically came in shot three rays of

1320
00:59:22,090 --> 00:59:20,330
light and a warhead that was going off

1321
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:22,100
and and you're going like oh wait a

1322
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:23,960
minute that's pretty doggone impressive

1323
00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:28,610
yeah and so you know I mean these things

1324
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:31,190
are getting now attention at the Navy

1325
00:59:37,330 --> 00:59:35,360
level but I'll tell you this much I I'm

1326
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,340
just as much impressed with some of the

1327
00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:38,960
older cases that we've even had on

1328
00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:42,830
record even in blue book even 1982 in

1329
00:59:48,190 --> 00:59:44,990
Washington you're exactly correct when

1330
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:48,200
people see that you know 2004 Nimitz

1331
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:52,160
Roosevelt 2015 this isn't new ever since

1332
00:59:56,410 --> 00:59:54,050
we've been looking at the UFO phenomena

1333
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:56,420
Blue Book is Chuck full of cases that

1334
01:00:00,070 --> 00:59:58,250
are very similar and just as

1335
01:00:01,660 --> 01:00:00,080
extraordinary that nobody paid attention

1336
01:00:05,770 --> 01:00:01,670
to her at least not in the last few

1337
01:00:08,890 --> 01:00:05,780
decades I have a quote from Bruce dr.

1338
01:00:10,810 --> 01:00:08,900
Bruce Maccabee he made this he worthless

1339
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:10,820
on Facebook a couple of days ago and I

1340
01:00:14,860 --> 01:00:13,130
thought it was very impressive it's

1341
01:00:17,710 --> 01:00:14,870
exactly what we're talking about here

1342
01:00:19,330 --> 01:00:17,720
I'll just read it he said they want us

1343
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:19,340
to know that they are here and have

1344
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:22,310
superior capabilities and technology to

1345
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:24,560
assure that we see them they play with

1346
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:27,200
us because of this plane most of the

1347
01:00:30,610 --> 01:00:28,640
technical abilities that have been

1348
01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:30,620
recorded recently as if they were new

1349
01:00:35,170 --> 01:00:32,500
discoveries like extreme acceleration

1350
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:35,180
have been known to the Air Force and the

1351
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:37,970
Navy for more than 70 years he's got a

1352
01:00:42,310 --> 01:00:40,250
point there that's we're talking you

1353
01:00:48,940 --> 01:00:42,320
know Project Blue Book certainly you

1354
01:00:51,310 --> 01:00:48,950
know yeah the question is that and this

1355
01:00:55,150 --> 01:00:51,320
is what maybe we'll find out maybe we

1356
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,160
won't I don't know is who has we know by

1357
01:00:59,140 --> 01:00:57,200
researching that this whole black and

1358
01:01:01,890 --> 01:00:59,150
white kind of

1359
01:01:04,029 --> 01:01:01,900
and it's what the PR departments of the

1360
01:01:06,279 --> 01:01:04,039
entire Department of Defense has said

1361
01:01:08,109 --> 01:01:06,289
that you know we haven't taken this

1362
01:01:10,269 --> 01:01:08,119
seriously because we discovered there is

1363
01:01:11,769 --> 01:01:10,279
no reason to take UFO seriously of

1364
01:01:13,329 --> 01:01:11,779
course we know through official

1365
01:01:16,779 --> 01:01:13,339
documents that they certainly have taken

1366
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:16,789
many account seriously in the last few

1367
01:01:21,789 --> 01:01:20,450
decades so the military has not been

1368
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:21,799
black-and-white there have been people

1369
01:01:26,650 --> 01:01:24,170
inside who have taken this seriously but

1370
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,660
who and was it recorded and did they

1371
01:01:30,609 --> 01:01:28,640
work on it those are the questions we

1372
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:30,619
don't know for sure they you know people

1373
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:32,329
like Alexander have told us and we have

1374
01:01:35,140 --> 01:01:33,440
seen this ourselves

1375
01:01:36,729 --> 01:01:35,150
that a lot of the times they just shove

1376
01:01:38,739 --> 01:01:36,739
this under the rug because they don't

1377
01:01:41,709 --> 01:01:38,749
want to deal with it has it all been

1378
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:41,719
like that or Paul Dean has done some

1379
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:43,450
work to discover these kind of

1380
01:01:48,609 --> 01:01:46,400
departments out there that change their

1381
01:01:49,870 --> 01:01:48,619
name and are very elusive and difficult

1382
01:01:51,759 --> 01:01:49,880
to find that are collecting this

1383
01:01:53,769 --> 01:01:51,769
information and taking it seriously how

1384
01:01:55,959 --> 01:01:53,779
seriously have they taken it how much

1385
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,969
research have they done you know those

1386
01:02:01,569 --> 01:01:57,680
are some of the interesting questions I

1387
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:01,579
hope we get answers to yes and how about

1388
01:02:07,299 --> 01:02:04,609
this just just a quick thought why the

1389
01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:07,309
deafening silence from the Air Force and

1390
01:02:11,739 --> 01:02:09,469
it's coming through the Navy now that

1391
01:02:14,380 --> 01:02:11,749
weirds me out that's a great point you

1392
01:02:15,940 --> 01:02:14,390
and you know these departments it was

1393
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:15,950
really interesting to see the Navy

1394
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:18,890
mention the Air Force in their UFO

1395
01:02:23,410 --> 01:02:21,650
procedures because these groups as many

1396
01:02:24,819 --> 01:02:23,420
of you know and it whether you're in the

1397
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:24,829
military or not they don't get along

1398
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:26,329
that great they don't share information

1399
01:02:30,459 --> 01:02:28,880
they're very adversarial sometimes for

1400
01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:30,469
fun but sometimes they're pretty serious

1401
01:02:37,269 --> 01:02:33,829
about it so was the Navy prompting the

1402
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:37,279
Air Force by doing that and if so it

1403
01:02:42,009 --> 01:02:39,650
seems like that was unsuccessful because

1404
01:02:44,499 --> 01:02:42,019
we've still like you said got this what

1405
01:02:48,130 --> 01:02:44,509
we feel is this deafening silence yeah

1406
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:48,140
yeah I agree I think the Air Force

1407
01:02:55,809 --> 01:02:49,910
probably still has a bad taste it's

1408
01:02:57,999 --> 01:02:55,819
found from Project Blue Book they're

1409
01:03:03,640 --> 01:02:58,009
faced with things like Roswell in the

1410
01:03:06,130 --> 01:03:03,650
way it was gas yeah exactly it's that's

1411
01:03:07,930 --> 01:03:06,140
you know probably a pride issue and and

1412
01:03:10,089 --> 01:03:07,940
then they don't want to look stupid and

1413
01:03:12,849 --> 01:03:10,099
they had somebody you have to walk back

1414
01:03:14,410 --> 01:03:12,859
the Robertson Report now you know though

1415
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,420
Robertson panel where you know we'll

1416
01:03:18,609 --> 01:03:16,400
deal with this with ridicule and the

1417
01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:18,619
media and now they have to walk it back

1418
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:20,420
and that doesn't make them look very

1419
01:03:26,859 --> 01:03:24,130
good you know it doesn't look there

1420
01:03:29,499 --> 01:03:26,869
eventually they can you know obviously

1421
01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:29,509
the Air Force and the Marine Corps and

1422
01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:31,819
the Navy and even the army you know I

1423
01:03:37,299 --> 01:03:34,190
mean the Army's got military bases and

1424
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,309
they ought to be but if I told this to

1425
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:39,440
Lou I said I would be really hopeful

1426
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:41,569
that at some point down the road that

1427
01:03:46,749 --> 01:03:43,970
there is a government-wide

1428
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:46,759
look at not just those branches of

1429
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:48,890
service but what about the faa and

1430
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:51,950
feeding that in and and and looking at

1431
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,319
that what pilots report commercial

1432
01:04:00,130 --> 01:03:57,440
pilots and and you know what what a

1433
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:00,140
tasty aren't those threats I mean you

1434
01:04:05,259 --> 01:04:02,450
know look at what Richard Haines did

1435
01:04:07,809 --> 01:04:05,269
with yes Nora pointing out the fact that

1436
01:04:09,309 --> 01:04:07,819
these are safety hazards and then you

1437
01:04:11,259 --> 01:04:09,319
know god bless him for all of his work

1438
01:04:13,809 --> 01:04:11,269
that he did before he retired I mean but

1439
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:13,819
that's that's a threat as well I mean

1440
01:04:20,620 --> 01:04:16,670
that's over our sovereign airspace and

1441
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:20,630
so I'm hoping that eventually if it's at

1442
01:04:25,269 --> 01:04:22,609
the Senate level that they can convince

1443
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:25,279
some of those things to happen for the

1444
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,049
other branches to come together as well

1445
01:04:31,569 --> 01:04:29,119
well what you mentioned with the

1446
01:04:33,220 --> 01:04:31,579
Robinson panel and that's what's really

1447
01:04:34,779 --> 01:04:33,230
significant especially about the Navy

1448
01:04:36,729 --> 01:04:34,789
involvement and there's a couple aspects

1449
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:36,739
to that we touched on this earlier but

1450
01:04:40,509 --> 01:04:39,049
really essentially what they discovered

1451
01:04:42,989 --> 01:04:40,519
and what they determined in the Robinson

1452
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:42,999
panel is what they've done and you know

1453
01:04:47,319 --> 01:04:45,440
we can't necessarily fault them for

1454
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:47,329
deciding how are we gonna deal with this

1455
01:04:50,410 --> 01:04:49,249
what's the best way for us to deal with

1456
01:04:52,660 --> 01:04:50,420
this and they thought well it'd probably

1457
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,670
be easier for us just to kind of poopoo

1458
01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:54,319
it and not pay attention or like Nick

1459
01:04:59,019 --> 01:04:56,900
Pope says he even participated when he

1460
01:05:02,229 --> 01:04:59,029
worked in the mo D and spin and dirty

1461
01:05:03,999 --> 01:05:02,239
tricks just trying to people to just

1462
01:05:06,130 --> 01:05:04,009
don't pay attention to this because it

1463
01:05:09,819 --> 01:05:06,140
could create too many headaches for them

1464
01:05:13,150 --> 01:05:09,829
the Navy is explicitly now changing to

1465
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,160
go against that policy they are now

1466
01:05:17,979 --> 01:05:15,440
being cooperative and they're the only

1467
01:05:21,069 --> 01:05:17,989
real group because Lou did this on his

1468
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:21,079
own by all appearances they're the only

1469
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,970
ones to say okay we're gonna step in

1470
01:05:26,270 --> 01:05:24,319
front of this and we're gonna be

1471
01:05:29,090 --> 01:05:26,280
proactive about being

1472
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:29,100
positive about this and that that is

1473
01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:31,050
very significant it seems like they

1474
01:05:36,290 --> 01:05:32,700
prompted the airforce to do the same

1475
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:36,300
they didn't the DoD has obviously at

1476
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:37,980
least the the Public Affairs Department

1477
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:41,910
has been adversarial towards Lou coming

1478
01:05:47,780 --> 01:05:45,960
forward they have essentially given

1479
01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:47,790
wrong information where you used to this

1480
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:49,830
you know often in UFO cases they give

1481
01:05:52,790 --> 01:05:51,090
wrong information then they have to

1482
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:52,800
correct themselves and they've had to do

1483
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:54,690
that over and over in this case when

1484
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:56,370
they've said you know countered

1485
01:05:59,480 --> 01:05:57,900
something that Lou had said and then it

1486
01:06:01,400 --> 01:05:59,490
turns out Lou was right all along

1487
01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:01,410
and they have to correct themselves so

1488
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:03,660
they have not come on board with this

1489
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:06,570
whole Navy you know new arena of being

1490
01:06:10,850 --> 01:06:08,940
more proactive about UFOs so the Navy

1491
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:10,860
standing out on their own and somebody

1492
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:12,930
mentioned you know at least I think one

1493
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:15,480
of these pilots is active you have to

1494
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:17,400
get permission if you're an active pilot

1495
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:19,770
to talk so they got permission from the

1496
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:22,890
Navy to participate in this television

1497
01:06:27,950 --> 01:06:25,440
show so the Navy is proactively working

1498
01:06:30,350 --> 01:06:27,960
with to the stars some people see a

1499
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,360
conspiracy there I don't here's what I

1500
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:32,160
see in and I would love to hear what you

1501
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:35,070
all feel I see Chris Mellon who is a

1502
01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:38,760
very very high-level official let alone

1503
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,940
his family dynasty he's a very important

1504
01:06:46,310 --> 01:06:43,200
person along the lines of you know

1505
01:06:48,140 --> 01:06:46,320
rockefeller then you have Elizondo you

1506
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:48,150
have Steve justice who of course worked

1507
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:49,980
for Lockheed Martin skunk works which is

1508
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,900
also influential I think you have a

1509
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:54,240
group of credible guys who are getting

1510
01:06:59,480 --> 01:06:57,090
in there and then the people who are

1511
01:07:01,340 --> 01:06:59,490
also into this topic or I believe that

1512
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:01,350
there should be more shared are finally

1513
01:07:05,180 --> 01:07:03,030
like look we've got some advocates from

1514
01:07:07,010 --> 01:07:05,190
the outside now this is our chance to

1515
01:07:09,230 --> 01:07:07,020
really start to get some movement here

1516
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:09,240
and I think it's really kind of inspired

1517
01:07:12,860 --> 01:07:11,160
almost like a grassroots more of an

1518
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:12,870
effort than a top-down type of thing

1519
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:13,770
mm-hmm

1520
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:17,400
then you can kind of see why Tom DeLonge

1521
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,460
is involved in you know he he provided

1522
01:07:26,330 --> 01:07:23,520
an outlet monetarily you know mainly

1523
01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:26,340
monetarily but he is a person like they

1524
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:29,790
they I saw George not make a comment

1525
01:07:34,550 --> 01:07:31,770
that Tom DeLonge just you know he used

1526
01:07:37,580 --> 01:07:34,560
shoe leather knocked on doors made phone

1527
01:07:40,299 --> 01:07:37,590
calls and emails you know to make this

1528
01:07:43,940 --> 01:07:40,309
happen in and so maybe he was

1529
01:07:45,980 --> 01:07:43,950
this this thought among many in the in

1530
01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:45,990
the government that this stuff should be

1531
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:49,710
out there just like John Podesta and Tom

1532
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,660
came along at the right time he he had

1533
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:54,960
money and and you know he had good

1534
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:57,920
knowledge and this was a way to you know

1535
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:02,160
start making this happen protects the

1536
01:08:08,270 --> 01:08:05,520
the government and you know is gonna be

1537
01:08:10,819 --> 01:08:08,280
credible let me interject here and

1538
01:08:12,770 --> 01:08:10,829
change right now so it's it's a

1539
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:12,780
situation where like you know like as

1540
01:08:17,959 --> 01:08:15,210
you just pointed out yeah Chris Mellon

1541
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:17,969
who's like convinced you have low who's

1542
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:21,449
convinced you have John you know Reid

1543
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,049
and three senators and a mid John Glenn

1544
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:28,080
and you had so you know you always hear

1545
01:08:32,780 --> 01:08:29,850
these like stories about like well the

1546
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:32,790
says this you know or the government

1547
01:08:38,539 --> 01:08:36,150
says that and yeah it's composed of

1548
01:08:40,999 --> 01:08:38,549
people who don't share the same view you

1549
01:08:44,539 --> 01:08:41,009
know and and so you have to realise that

1550
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:44,549
it's a big behemoth and often time I

1551
01:08:48,919 --> 01:08:47,100
mean I can talk a lot of the people I

1552
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:48,929
were at work you know and they're

1553
01:08:51,769 --> 01:08:50,130
they're convinced that there's something

1554
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:51,779
to it and you know and all this other

1555
01:08:56,209 --> 01:08:55,049
stuff but you don't do it so I I get a

1556
01:08:58,039 --> 01:08:56,219
kick out of these things while the

1557
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:58,049
government says this it doesn't believe

1558
01:09:03,439 --> 01:08:59,759
this it doesn't do and I'm gonna like

1559
01:09:05,900 --> 01:09:03,449
that's not true yeah yeah you know it

1560
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,910
doesn't reflect everybody's views in the

1561
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:07,440
surface and many of them are quite

1562
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,420
interested in this subject but guess

1563
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,759
what you know it's it's risky for them

1564
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:14,000
to even talk about it because of the

1565
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:17,460
humiliation factor or it might have you

1566
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,040
know negative repercussions for for them

1567
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:22,319
you know from their career standpoint or

1568
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:24,660
something so they don't talk about it

1569
01:09:28,249 --> 01:09:27,690
you know yeah yeah the taboo extends to

1570
01:09:31,610 --> 01:09:28,259
everybody

1571
01:09:34,130 --> 01:09:31,620
yeah and with its that stigma that's out

1572
01:09:37,579 --> 01:09:34,140
there that it's associated with it and

1573
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:37,589
and it's just it's so prevalent that you

1574
01:09:40,999 --> 01:09:38,819
just you know you can't even hardly

1575
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:41,009
bring it up but I'm glad to see that it

1576
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:43,170
is being brought up and that's now

1577
01:09:46,519 --> 01:09:44,489
leading to a lot of hallway

1578
01:09:48,860 --> 01:09:46,529
conversations that I normally didn't

1579
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,870
have and it's swinging through a lot of

1580
01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:50,400
people that are now saying well yeah I

1581
01:09:54,340 --> 01:09:51,380
don't I don't

1582
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:54,350
and again it goes back to the time you

1583
01:09:57,190 --> 01:09:55,730
had that credibility from now the

1584
01:09:59,200 --> 01:09:57,200
government saying that they were doing

1585
01:10:04,420 --> 01:09:59,210
something about it where before they

1586
01:10:07,390 --> 01:10:04,430
didn't we I felt personally when blood

1587
01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:07,400
blue book closed that my legs were cut

1588
01:10:11,170 --> 01:10:09,260
out from underneath because as I thought

1589
01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:11,180
well you know now it's suddenly like

1590
01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:13,880
it's well it's all a big joke it's

1591
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:17,030
nothing you know so now it's something

1592
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:18,710
because guess what the government was

1593
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:20,930
investigating it and there is something

1594
01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:23,090
to it and there's pilots that are coming

1595
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:24,590
out and now you're going up and saying

1596
01:10:31,630 --> 01:10:29,450
you see what I told you I mean dollar

1597
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:31,640
long is just take it serious don't you

1598
01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:33,920
know let's have a conversation we don't

1599
01:10:39,370 --> 01:10:36,980
not saying it has to be you know X or Y

1600
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:39,380
but study it discuss it because it's

1601
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,790
real there's something going on and

1602
01:10:46,510 --> 01:10:43,120
there's nothing more frustrating to see

1603
01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:46,520
something on that scale ignored you know

1604
01:10:52,090 --> 01:10:49,220
and and what is what's what's it gonna

1605
01:10:54,910 --> 01:10:52,100
hurt you know to to engage in study and

1606
01:10:57,130 --> 01:10:54,920
I mean is just is you know hard to

1607
01:10:59,890 --> 01:10:57,140
conceive but you know it's that's it's

1608
01:11:02,950 --> 01:10:59,900
our history right seventy years of it so

1609
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:02,960
I feel like a lot of people are

1610
01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:06,410
gathering around what the to the stars

1611
01:11:11,530 --> 01:11:09,020
guys are doing that I've never really

1612
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:11,540
seen before you know people as you guys

1613
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:13,970
know ufology can be quite a snake pit

1614
01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:15,470
and everybody is out for their own

1615
01:11:20,020 --> 01:11:18,230
little group this little group in that

1616
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:20,030
little group but it seems like

1617
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:21,710
everybody's kind of gathering around the

1618
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:23,450
campfire here and there's sort of a

1619
01:11:29,470 --> 01:11:27,380
coalescence of attitude amongst people

1620
01:11:31,330 --> 01:11:29,480
that perhaps this is our bright and

1621
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:31,340
shining moment where we can actually get

1622
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:35,090
this out and into the general you know

1623
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:38,690
public and and how what a good idea to

1624
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,810
use TV to you to do this because you

1625
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:43,520
know people don't really read anymore

1626
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:45,710
like they did unfortunately you know cuz

1627
01:11:51,220 --> 01:11:49,490
I'm a heavy reader people don't trust

1628
01:11:53,050 --> 01:11:51,230
the news services because of the

1629
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:53,060
partisanship involved with the news

1630
01:11:57,810 --> 01:11:54,650
services you know everybody thinks

1631
01:12:00,340 --> 01:11:57,820
everybody else is you know fake news now

1632
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:00,350
how do you get this out to the public

1633
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:02,690
and I've heard a lot of a lot of

1634
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:05,350
negative you know naysayers out

1635
01:12:11,970 --> 01:12:09,040
just in individuals whose whose

1636
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:11,980
complaint is as oh it's a TV show it's a

1637
01:12:16,830 --> 01:12:14,320
moneymaker it's like no you know we're

1638
01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:16,840
talking Harry Reid John Podesta all

1639
01:12:21,810 --> 01:12:19,270
these big guys that really don't need

1640
01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:21,820
you know a cash cow right now they're

1641
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:25,630
pretty much set and but you know

1642
01:12:29,790 --> 01:12:27,790
television is a great medium to get this

1643
01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:29,800
through it's nonpartisan it's not

1644
01:12:34,170 --> 01:12:31,870
politicized in any way shape or form

1645
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:34,180
like it would be if if the president

1646
01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:35,890
came out and announced that we weren't

1647
01:12:42,570 --> 01:12:40,630
alone to myself you know I can't see any

1648
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:42,580
better way for them to have done this

1649
01:12:48,450 --> 01:12:46,210
then with with you know America's

1650
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:48,460
favorite pastime which is watching

1651
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:51,490
television easily baseball yes and one

1652
01:12:58,260 --> 01:12:53,980
that one thing that or one thing that I

1653
01:13:00,660 --> 01:12:58,270
like about the show is it's given enough

1654
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:00,670
but there's still plenty left over for

1655
01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:04,810
us to chew over yeah absolutely yeah it

1656
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:07,720
feels like a setup this episode is set

1657
01:13:12,810 --> 01:13:10,330
up from for others to come you know it

1658
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:12,820
gave us enough but you know your

1659
01:13:18,930 --> 01:13:16,570
appetite is wet for more yeah UFOs for

1660
01:13:22,010 --> 01:13:18,940
everybody we don't have to fight with

1661
01:13:24,510 --> 01:13:22,020
each other there's no lack of good UFO

1662
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:24,520
sightings that's for sure yeah I

1663
01:13:29,130 --> 01:13:26,590
definitely feel that the show exceeded

1664
01:13:32,820 --> 01:13:29,140
expectations and again now there were no

1665
01:13:35,250 --> 01:13:32,830
great revelations per se but still the

1666
01:13:38,580 --> 01:13:35,260
presentation did provide some surprises

1667
01:13:40,770 --> 01:13:38,590
I thought it covered a lot of really

1668
01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:40,780
interesting points a hammered home that

1669
01:13:47,130 --> 01:13:43,750
cap point the issue which i think is key

1670
01:13:49,380 --> 01:13:47,140
had the lady pilot I had a lot of good

1671
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:49,390
stuff in there that's that even the most

1672
01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:51,370
the the geekiest among us should have

1673
01:13:58,800 --> 01:13:54,160
been pretty pleased with yes totally

1674
01:14:02,280 --> 01:13:58,810
agree so we're giving this show like a

1675
01:14:04,050 --> 01:14:02,290
a-plus yeah pretty much yeah yeah I mean

1676
01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:04,060
they might have been some stylistic

1677
01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:05,950
things that died well you know they

1678
01:14:09,780 --> 01:14:08,470
didn't really need to play the the music

1679
01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:09,790
in the background during some of the

1680
01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:11,950
interviews that they did maybe that was

1681
01:14:16,380 --> 01:14:14,440
a little bit overwrought but yeah I mean

1682
01:14:18,780 --> 01:14:16,390
by and large yeah I really those are

1683
01:14:20,340 --> 01:14:18,790
those are small points really

1684
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:20,350
yeah they weren't going for

1685
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:22,450
sensationalistic I mean that that's

1686
01:14:27,450 --> 01:14:25,510
clear right it was not a you know no

1687
01:14:29,070 --> 01:14:27,460
offense but wasn't ancient aliens you

1688
01:14:31,890 --> 01:14:29,080
know they these guys were being you know

1689
01:14:34,050 --> 01:14:31,900
straightforward and factual and and you

1690
01:14:38,430 --> 01:14:34,060
know laying out a laying out a court

1691
01:14:41,790 --> 01:14:38,440
case in a way yeah we'll have to be

1692
01:14:43,410 --> 01:14:41,800
careful with is the marketing and they

1693
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:43,420
didn't do a lot of marketing for the

1694
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:45,190
show I don't know if they were

1695
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:47,770
predicting that at this media storm

1696
01:14:52,980 --> 01:14:49,960
would happen around the show I kind of

1697
01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:52,990
feel personally with my experience that

1698
01:14:56,220 --> 01:14:54,760
I don't know that they would have bet on

1699
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:56,230
that I don't know that they were but

1700
01:15:00,150 --> 01:14:58,330
that did for tchen Utley for them the

1701
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:00,160
meteor storm did happen and it did work

1702
01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:03,910
for them well but you know the marketing

1703
01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:06,790
department is completely separate from

1704
01:15:10,710 --> 01:15:09,310
the production group so for instance we

1705
01:15:13,050 --> 01:15:10,720
saw this when they put out that one

1706
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:13,060
marketing image and they played with the

1707
01:15:18,330 --> 01:15:15,490
image in the flare video to look more

1708
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,340
like your traditional UFO that of course

1709
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:20,800
makes us uncomfortable as researchers

1710
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:22,840
we're gonna see more of that the more

1711
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:24,010
marketing because the marketing

1712
01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:25,930
department is the same marketing

1713
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:27,820
department that's marketing ancient

1714
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:31,360
aliens and project Bluebook even saw

1715
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:32,820
this happen with an already

1716
01:15:36,450 --> 01:15:34,690
sensationalized show project Bluebook

1717
01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:36,460
where they made it even more wild with

1718
01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:38,500
like kind of implying that connect was

1719
01:15:44,190 --> 01:15:41,680
going to run into an alien so we're

1720
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:44,200
gonna see when marketing department gets

1721
01:15:51,930 --> 01:15:47,050
their hands on it that's the that PTSA

1722
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:51,940
is gonna have less ability to meter what

1723
01:15:57,180 --> 01:15:54,550
they do you're sure about that alejandro

1724
01:15:59,550 --> 01:15:57,190
because positive no okay okay absolutely

1725
01:16:00,930 --> 01:15:59,560
100% positive and here's why we got to

1726
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:00,940
remember these are all disparate

1727
01:16:04,860 --> 01:16:03,490
organizations when you have a television

1728
01:16:06,660 --> 01:16:04,870
show you have different production

1729
01:16:09,090 --> 01:16:06,670
companies that are involved in this case

1730
01:16:11,730 --> 01:16:09,100
we have the producers like Anthony lap

1731
01:16:13,890 --> 01:16:11,740
are lepay who some of us have got to

1732
01:16:15,390 --> 01:16:13,900
interview seems like a great guy an

1733
01:16:16,290 --> 01:16:15,400
investigative journalist he wants to

1734
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:16,300
stick to the facts

1735
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:18,910
you also have Tom DeLonge who's an

1736
01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:21,280
executive producer but then you have the

1737
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:23,590
History Channel History Channel is not

1738
01:16:28,050 --> 01:16:26,320
going to be as careful because they

1739
01:16:30,090 --> 01:16:28,060
don't understand the nuances and plus

1740
01:16:32,340 --> 01:16:30,100
their ideas they want eyeballs they

1741
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:32,350
don't necessarily care so much about the

1742
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:32,650
facts

1743
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:36,610
as we do and then the the marketing

1744
01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:39,070
department is completely separate this

1745
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:41,590
is a group of people that are in a

1746
01:16:47,460 --> 01:16:43,750
different part of the country who have

1747
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,470
very little conversation with the people

1748
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:50,080
who are producing the show and I hope

1749
01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:52,000
they do this and I guess we should

1750
01:16:55,950 --> 01:16:53,950
encourage it but it's really difficult

1751
01:16:57,930 --> 01:16:55,960
for even Tom DeLonge to get in there and

1752
01:17:00,000 --> 01:16:57,940
say hey guys I mean he's gonna probably

1753
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:00,010
have to give him an ultimatum and say if

1754
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:02,050
you guys don't market us this right

1755
01:17:05,250 --> 01:17:03,550
we're gonna have to walk I mean you got

1756
01:17:07,290 --> 01:17:05,260
to be really strong with these guys get

1757
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:07,300
it on paper because they have to

1758
01:17:10,860 --> 01:17:08,770
understand because it's going to take an

1759
01:17:14,490 --> 01:17:10,870
effort on their part to not do their

1760
01:17:16,050 --> 01:17:14,500
normal processes overseas yeah that was

1761
01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:16,060
the reason why I kind of pressed you on

1762
01:17:22,590 --> 01:17:19,870
the point sort of comparing apples to

1763
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:22,600
oranges but stanley kubrick the director

1764
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:26,050
famously had you know control over the

1765
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:28,030
marketing of his films it may be a

1766
01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:30,810
little irony there but sometimes

1767
01:17:38,010 --> 01:17:34,270
creating who had that he did yeah yeah

1768
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:38,020
right but I didn't yeah he did get it

1769
01:17:41,970 --> 01:17:40,030
you've got to go you got a first of all

1770
01:17:43,740 --> 01:17:41,980
you got to have a leverage some leverage

1771
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:43,750
so you can't it can't be your first

1772
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:45,490
couple of movies you got to do some hit

1773
01:17:49,950 --> 01:17:47,170
movies and then you have that sort of

1774
01:17:52,770 --> 01:17:49,960
leverage because sometimes filmmakers do

1775
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:52,780
do that but it's really difficult to do

1776
01:17:59,850 --> 01:17:56,650
even for the big guys a shout out to

1777
01:18:02,490 --> 01:17:59,860
Dave Beatty for you know basically after

1778
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:02,500
one a week he's had over a million views

1779
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:07,450
of his Nimet encounters yes I'll be you

1780
01:18:14,850 --> 01:18:11,440
know I pretty much like what Dave did

1781
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:14,860
over what if we saw in the show me too

1782
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:18,850
yeah Dave did a hell of a job putting

1783
01:18:24,210 --> 01:18:21,910
together that that and being accurate to

1784
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:24,220
the nth degree about everything that he

1785
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:27,850
did and you know I mean I just want to

1786
01:18:32,670 --> 01:18:30,250
give a shout out yeah definitely and I

1787
01:18:34,620 --> 01:18:32,680
want to bring something up to rich if

1788
01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:34,630
you don't mind what I'd like to mention

1789
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:37,030
is when I watch the first version I

1790
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:39,250
watched it on the on my big-screen TV

1791
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:40,510
and

1792
01:18:47,130 --> 01:18:43,570
maybe within a week after I happened to

1793
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:47,140
see the film Dunkirk by Christopher

1794
01:18:53,190 --> 01:18:49,900
Nolan which also included some CGI

1795
01:18:55,290 --> 01:18:53,200
aerial scenes and I gotta tell you it

1796
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:55,300
matched up I mean it wasn't better or

1797
01:19:00,300 --> 01:18:57,850
wasn't where he was very comparable to

1798
01:19:02,190 --> 01:19:00,310
what Nolan had done with his you know a

1799
01:19:04,350 --> 01:19:02,200
hundred million dollar Hollywood

1800
01:19:05,670 --> 01:19:04,360
production I was very impressed now I

1801
01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:05,680
know a little bit about the tools that

1802
01:19:10,650 --> 01:19:07,720
Dave works with he he did those aerial

1803
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:10,660
scenes with something called cinema 4d

1804
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:15,600
which is a really fine CGI program and

1805
01:19:21,630 --> 01:19:19,090
he did a fantastic job and another thing

1806
01:19:23,310 --> 01:19:21,640
I want to mention is the fact that two

1807
01:19:26,130 --> 01:19:23,320
things are very very difficult to get

1808
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:26,140
right in CGI one of them is water and

1809
01:19:30,660 --> 01:19:28,690
the other is essentially the the

1810
01:19:32,970 --> 01:19:30,670
contrails from the Jets which are

1811
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:32,980
basically particle effects in that 3d

1812
01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:36,130
CGI and he did a nice job on both of

1813
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:38,440
those so you know just for my technical

1814
01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:40,090
end and knowing a little bit about the

1815
01:19:45,540 --> 01:19:42,460
the 3d animation that he included in

1816
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:45,550
there it was yeah and that to be honest

1817
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:46,960
whether you would did outstrip the work

1818
01:19:51,210 --> 01:19:48,690
that they did with the unidentified

1819
01:19:54,810 --> 01:19:51,220
program I don't know if you folks notice

1820
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:54,820
but what they did was they sort of D

1821
01:20:00,780 --> 01:19:57,370
saturated the colors when they cut to

1822
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:00,790
the CGI that they used the 3d CGI that

1823
01:20:05,610 --> 01:20:03,250
they used and usually the reason for

1824
01:20:07,380 --> 01:20:05,620
that is the illusion doesn't hold up if

1825
01:20:09,690 --> 01:20:07,390
you've got more color information in the

1826
01:20:11,490 --> 01:20:09,700
scene so they likely did that because it

1827
01:20:12,810 --> 01:20:11,500
just didn't look that good that's why

1828
01:20:14,850 --> 01:20:12,820
they had to go ahead and do that that's

1829
01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:14,860
my guess I don't know that but that

1830
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:16,780
would be my guess as to why they did

1831
01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:18,730
that and that really speaks volumes to

1832
01:20:25,770 --> 01:20:21,820
Dave's work as far as the the 3d

1833
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:25,780
animation that he did here a lot of

1834
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:28,810
people saying that they liked babies 3d

1835
01:20:33,450 --> 01:20:30,370
animations better than the television

1836
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:33,460
was yes it was better let's not kid

1837
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:35,940
ourselves like I said I watched both his

1838
01:20:41,190 --> 01:20:38,890
document the first version on the same

1839
01:20:42,780 --> 01:20:41,200
TV that I watched dunkirk on and I'm

1840
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:42,790
telling you it matches up very very

1841
01:20:47,460 --> 01:20:46,000
nicely it does it's comfortable I think

1842
01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:47,470
that the fact that he's got over a

1843
01:20:52,170 --> 01:20:49,540
million hits on that thing is remarkable

1844
01:20:53,820 --> 01:20:52,180
in one week I mean so that going back to

1845
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:53,830
the fact but I think this is gaining so

1846
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:54,320
much

1847
01:21:00,580 --> 01:20:57,650
action and interest that I'm hoping that

1848
01:21:03,310 --> 01:21:00,590
it does I hope that we can continue to

1849
01:21:05,170 --> 01:21:03,320
see that it's now getting into the

1850
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:05,180
mainstream public if you would as

1851
01:21:09,820 --> 01:21:07,610
opposed to just the UFO crowd or

1852
01:21:13,230 --> 01:21:09,830
something like that that mainstream

1853
01:21:16,420 --> 01:21:13,240
public is now you know watching this and

1854
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:16,430
taking it in and I encourage people I

1855
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:18,290
said if you're on the if you're on the

1856
01:21:23,140 --> 01:21:20,810
basically the sitting post if you would

1857
01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:23,150
are on the fence before please watch

1858
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:25,550
this and and now that might help shape

1859
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:30,770
your future conversations but already

1860
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:34,490
has yeah it said just amazing what a

1861
01:21:39,970 --> 01:21:37,970
dedicated guy largely as far as the

1862
01:21:42,010 --> 01:21:39,980
cutting and the assembling the footage

1863
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:42,020
as far as I know he did that pretty well

1864
01:21:45,930 --> 01:21:42,770
by himself

1865
01:21:49,540 --> 01:21:45,940
and you know hats off to him it it is

1866
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:49,550
tough work doing CGI animation the 3d

1867
01:21:54,490 --> 01:21:52,130
animation it is not easy and I know a

1868
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,500
little bit about what what went on it

1869
01:21:58,450 --> 01:21:56,000
looked like he had also added that he

1870
01:22:01,810 --> 01:21:58,460
didn't have in the first version a 3d

1871
01:22:03,730 --> 01:22:01,820
version of the Hawkeye radar plane as

1872
01:22:06,190 --> 01:22:03,740
well so it looks like he went out and I

1873
01:22:08,740 --> 01:22:06,200
spent a few extra bucks and bought one

1874
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,750
of those models now that that airplane

1875
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,880
modeling in there the kind of details

1876
01:22:14,980 --> 01:22:13,520
that that is some serious work so he did

1877
01:22:19,870 --> 01:22:14,990
go out and purchase those I do know that

1878
01:22:22,300 --> 01:22:19,880
but you know the path animation it's not

1879
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:22,310
as difficult as character animation but

1880
01:22:28,510 --> 01:22:26,090
it's not easy let me tell you yep it's a

1881
01:22:30,730 --> 01:22:28,520
labor for love for David isn't it I mean

1882
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:30,740
that's what it is

1883
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:37,730
it shows it's a good guy I guess what

1884
01:22:42,340 --> 01:22:39,770
are you all seeing as far as the

1885
01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:42,350
reactions to the show what I felt was

1886
01:22:47,890 --> 01:22:44,360
interesting I saw a lot of comments

1887
01:22:51,850 --> 01:22:47,900
coming in from otherwise skeptical

1888
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:51,860
people or even a lot of people who the

1889
01:22:55,570 --> 01:22:53,510
good thing because of course not

1890
01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:55,580
everybody was comfortable that this was

1891
01:23:00,460 --> 01:22:58,370
right on the heels of ancient aliens but

1892
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:00,470
I think a lot of those ancient alien

1893
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:02,210
people wouldn't have stuck around or

1894
01:23:04,060 --> 01:23:03,650
might not have tuned in if it wasn't

1895
01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:04,070
like that

1896
01:23:08,290 --> 01:23:05,750
and I know from experience from doing

1897
01:23:10,330 --> 01:23:08,300
the alien colony in aliens conference

1898
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:10,340
of course because I'm got a much more

1899
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,930
skeptical perspective than a lot of

1900
01:23:15,490 --> 01:23:13,280
these people and I'm providing facts

1901
01:23:17,530 --> 01:23:15,500
about UFO history but a lot of these

1902
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:17,540
guys are educated people who appreciate

1903
01:23:22,330 --> 01:23:21,050
that you know they just are curious

1904
01:23:24,610 --> 01:23:22,340
about what might have happened in

1905
01:23:26,830 --> 01:23:24,620
ancient time so they're not all super

1906
01:23:28,810 --> 01:23:26,840
Frenchy people so it seems like a lot of

1907
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,820
people it did open eyes to people who

1908
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:30,800
otherwise might not have tuned into the

1909
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,050
show yeah well I'll tell you I enjoy

1910
01:23:38,530 --> 01:23:36,560
ancient aliens you know it's obviously

1911
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:38,540
not the final word on the subjects that

1912
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:41,600
they cover they've got their their slant

1913
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:43,850
theirs their spin you know but I've

1914
01:23:47,980 --> 01:23:45,650
always enjoyed the show I enjoy their

1915
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:47,990
enthusiasm about their end of the

1916
01:23:52,690 --> 01:23:49,850
subject I think that goes a long way

1917
01:23:54,910 --> 01:23:52,700
it's not all dark and forbidding there

1918
01:23:56,710 --> 01:23:54,920
they're very excited about it I mean

1919
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:56,720
giorgio obviously stands out in that

1920
01:24:02,980 --> 01:24:00,080
department david childress as well I

1921
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:02,990
enjoy that I like the enthusiasm for the

1922
01:24:09,580 --> 01:24:06,050
topic that they have and they haven't

1923
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:09,590
entirely seemed to have copied that over

1924
01:24:16,540 --> 01:24:14,630
with the identified show but you know so

1925
01:24:18,490 --> 01:24:16,550
long as they've got their facts so long

1926
01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:18,500
as they've got the material and it seems

1927
01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:19,940
like they do and they're going to be

1928
01:24:23,980 --> 01:24:22,760
able to fill two hours and I'll tell you

1929
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:23,990
they filled an hour

1930
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:26,210
very very night an hour less commercial

1931
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,130
time very very nicely they had no

1932
01:24:34,290 --> 01:24:30,320
problems there and I expect we'll see

1933
01:24:47,860 --> 01:24:34,300
more as the show's roll on yeah ditto

1934
01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:47,870
and hey sometimes I'm just like you know

1935
01:24:55,180 --> 01:24:52,390
my wife has to listen to me go I always

1936
01:24:57,580 --> 01:24:55,190
like their enthusiasm that is what has

1937
01:24:59,650 --> 01:24:57,590
set that show apart from so many other

1938
01:25:02,350 --> 01:24:59,660
UFO shows that have run over the years

1939
01:25:04,030 --> 01:25:02,360
they are into their topic you know again

1940
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:04,040
maybe you take some of the material with

1941
01:25:08,740 --> 01:25:06,290
a grain of salt but they are into it it

1942
01:25:10,510 --> 01:25:08,750
comes across and I think that is really

1943
01:25:15,790 --> 01:25:10,520
the secret ingredient for why that show

1944
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:15,800
has run so many seasons I think it's

1945
01:25:21,820 --> 01:25:18,770
more than that oh yeah yeah a ton of

1946
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:21,830
seasons it's pretty shocking

1947
01:25:27,540 --> 01:25:26,000
and I mean you know the number of people

1948
01:25:30,910 --> 01:25:27,550
that watch the show is absolutely

1949
01:25:33,730 --> 01:25:30,920
mind-boggling at the alien Con the first

1950
01:25:36,940 --> 01:25:33,740
one the reboot they did in California

1951
01:25:39,460 --> 01:25:36,950
last year what they did so they did this

1952
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:39,470
alien con they got way more people than

1953
01:25:43,090 --> 01:25:41,600
they can handle and so they actually

1954
01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:43,100
fired the company that put it together

1955
01:25:47,530 --> 01:25:44,840
because they weren't able to handle it

1956
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:47,540
got this new company which geared up and

1957
01:25:51,370 --> 01:25:49,040
was ready for a bigger crowd

1958
01:25:52,810 --> 01:25:51,380
they even got overwhelmed and every one

1959
01:25:55,810 --> 01:25:52,820
of these they get overwhelmed by the

1960
01:26:01,120 --> 01:25:55,820
number of people we go there these lines

1961
01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:01,130
go down the blocks for for ever and then

1962
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:02,510
what happens it's kind of sad because

1963
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:04,010
then they'll close the doors to the

1964
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:06,290
lectures or you know they're done with

1965
01:26:11,230 --> 01:26:09,110
the picture-taking moment and you hear

1966
01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:11,240
everybody boo but they're just they just

1967
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:13,400
can't handle the number of people there

1968
01:26:17,170 --> 01:26:16,010
it's like these comic-con disease things

1969
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:17,180
they're gonna have to go to bigger and

1970
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:19,730
bigger venues there are so many people

1971
01:26:25,570 --> 01:26:22,610
into this it's really shocking LA

1972
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,580
Convention Center this year right bro

1973
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:27,920
it's over at LA Convention Center huge

1974
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:29,690
it's where they do the car the big car

1975
01:26:34,690 --> 01:26:32,090
show you know I mean I've you know been

1976
01:26:36,940 --> 01:26:34,700
there a few times and and by the way if

1977
01:26:39,070 --> 01:26:36,950
anybody's coming out do go to the MUFON

1978
01:26:46,540 --> 01:26:39,080
panels both of them because I'm gonna be

1979
01:26:49,690 --> 01:26:46,550
on them coming up on an hour and a half

1980
01:26:50,980 --> 01:26:49,700
I'd like to wrap this up and we had some

1981
01:26:53,980 --> 01:26:50,990
streaming issues so I'm gonna have to

1982
01:26:55,660 --> 01:26:53,990
upload this video later so yeah if we

1983
01:26:57,460 --> 01:26:55,670
can go around the horn Michael J Hall

1984
01:26:58,690 --> 01:26:57,470
you've been you've been quiet you've

1985
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,700
been with us for a while

1986
01:27:02,770 --> 01:27:01,040
look that let's get your thoughts and

1987
01:27:07,180 --> 01:27:02,780
then they get kind of a final summation

1988
01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:07,190
from everybody thanks Frank I tell you

1989
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:09,430
what I am just enjoying all the

1990
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:11,690
conversations here this is exactly what

1991
01:27:16,900 --> 01:27:14,570
needs to happen get this thing out to as

1992
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,910
many people as possible as Alejandro

1993
01:27:21,580 --> 01:27:19,520
said but one question that I would throw

1994
01:27:23,710 --> 01:27:21,590
into the mix that we haven't discussed

1995
01:27:25,450 --> 01:27:23,720
on this yet and we're going to take a

1996
01:27:29,860 --> 01:27:25,460
whole nother show I'm sure to do that

1997
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:29,870
with me why now you know this incident

1998
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:33,170
happened in 2004 the Nimitz tick tockia

1999
01:27:37,359 --> 01:27:35,510
issue and we are now

2000
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:37,369
just hearing about it you know with the

2001
01:27:42,990 --> 01:27:40,090
the major push in the mainstream media

2002
01:27:45,370 --> 01:27:43,000
that's the question that the attorney

2003
01:27:48,189 --> 01:27:45,380
interrogatories need to have answered

2004
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,199
well I'll jump on that one really quick

2005
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:50,239
and that this is just a theory obviously

2006
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:51,440
I don't have any inside information

2007
01:27:57,729 --> 01:27:55,489
don't really know but there has to be

2008
01:28:00,399 --> 01:27:57,739
some kind of thinking on the inside and

2009
01:28:02,350 --> 01:28:00,409
the I think s Steve Bassett and I had

2010
01:28:04,180 --> 01:28:02,360
discussed this last time he was on there

2011
01:28:07,029 --> 01:28:04,190
is still some kind of an inside team

2012
01:28:09,850 --> 01:28:07,039
here that if for whatever reason it

2013
01:28:12,129 --> 01:28:09,860
comes to pass that it becomes undeniable

2014
01:28:14,919 --> 01:28:12,139
that there is some sort of the et

2015
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:14,929
visitation going on and they've done

2016
01:28:20,589 --> 01:28:18,409
basically nothing with this they've just

2017
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:20,599
given it short shrift and blown it off

2018
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:23,090
and denied it and so on and so forth

2019
01:28:27,549 --> 01:28:25,280
there would be some kind of a hell to

2020
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:27,559
pay with the public that it's better off

2021
01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:31,010
to sort of try to try to get something

2022
01:28:36,430 --> 01:28:32,900
out there that hey we're on this and

2023
01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:36,440
we've been on this that's my best theory

2024
01:28:41,919 --> 01:28:39,409
yes sir absolutely just because you know

2025
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:41,929
I I think we there are a lot of

2026
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:44,239
incredible people who really need to be

2027
01:28:48,370 --> 01:28:46,130
given credit for a lot of this and in my

2028
01:28:50,859 --> 01:28:48,380
view at least from following the history

2029
01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:50,869
and looking at historically what we can

2030
01:28:54,490 --> 01:28:52,670
say there may be stuff going on the

2031
01:28:56,410 --> 01:28:54,500
background but everybody I've asked that

2032
01:28:58,660 --> 01:28:56,420
to has said no they don't have any

2033
01:29:01,450 --> 01:28:58,670
evidence of that but what we have are

2034
01:29:04,209 --> 01:29:01,460
people like help hood up who since the

2035
01:29:06,069 --> 01:29:04,219
70s tackled remote-viewing got that

2036
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:06,079
taken seriously by the government and

2037
01:29:11,379 --> 01:29:08,329
ran a program has continued to work on

2038
01:29:13,359 --> 01:29:11,389
UFOs he couples up with Bob Bigelow Bob

2039
01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:13,369
Bigelow spends millions and millions of

2040
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:15,409
dollars investigating this and gathering

2041
01:29:19,629 --> 01:29:17,690
these scientists these guys continue on

2042
01:29:21,729 --> 01:29:19,639
to do all of this research and bring it

2043
01:29:24,069 --> 01:29:21,739
credibility and try to make discoveries

2044
01:29:25,839 --> 01:29:24,079
then they start to partner up with more

2045
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:25,849
people we find out they're partnering up

2046
01:29:30,879 --> 01:29:27,650
with the Pentagon with Lou with Harry

2047
01:29:33,009 --> 01:29:30,889
Reid then I you know then they're

2048
01:29:35,020 --> 01:29:33,019
partnering up with Tom DeLonge so it's

2049
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,030
this rich history that's gone on for a

2050
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:37,280
long time were these people for decades

2051
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:39,530
have been trying to bring credibility to

2052
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:42,050
this topic and do investigations and

2053
01:29:45,970 --> 01:29:44,449
research you know some of us have been

2054
01:29:47,709 --> 01:29:45,980
involved with all of that in the past

2055
01:29:48,970 --> 01:29:47,719
some of us with MUFON working on the

2056
01:29:50,410 --> 01:29:48,980
Bigelow project or

2057
01:29:52,450 --> 01:29:50,420
things like that rich has been involved

2058
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,460
with a lot of the back and a lot of the

2059
01:29:57,310 --> 01:29:54,320
SE you guys were involved with some of

2060
01:29:59,770 --> 01:29:57,320
that work so really we have a lot of

2061
01:30:01,210 --> 01:29:59,780
great people including Leslie Cain who

2062
01:30:02,500 --> 01:30:01,220
has kind of worked on the forefront and

2063
01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:02,510
bringing the information to the public

2064
01:30:06,910 --> 01:30:04,910
as well as George Knapp that have been

2065
01:30:10,030 --> 01:30:06,920
working at this for years and this is

2066
01:30:13,570 --> 01:30:10,040
the fruits of their work for decades and

2067
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:13,580
a large part of all of this is that on

2068
01:30:18,820 --> 01:30:16,400
the surface we know that and I think we

2069
01:30:21,820 --> 01:30:18,830
we really a lot of gratitude those of us

2070
01:30:24,210 --> 01:30:21,830
who appreciate this to those people yes

2071
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:24,220
you're here

2072
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:26,810
Leslie Cain that wonderful book that she

2073
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:29,360
wrote the pylons and you know that boy

2074
01:30:36,370 --> 01:30:33,110
oh boy when that came out that's when I

2075
01:30:38,650 --> 01:30:36,380
really started to think about you know

2076
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:38,660
but I don't just want to be armchair

2077
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:40,610
about this you know I want to get my my

2078
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:43,730
feet dirty here you know and and what a

2079
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:48,650
groundbreaking book that got me in and

2080
01:30:59,770 --> 01:30:50,330
anyone else want to jump in with some

2081
01:31:01,720 --> 01:30:59,780
final words I just talked a lot we spent

2082
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:01,730
an hour and a half analyzing a one-hour

2083
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:11,360
show to the for you know to the stars

2084
01:31:15,310 --> 01:31:12,890
Academy for putting together a great

2085
01:31:17,980 --> 01:31:15,320
maybe serious you're in it the first

2086
01:31:19,780 --> 01:31:17,990
show was excellent I think that more to

2087
01:31:22,510 --> 01:31:19,790
come I'm looking forward to it I think

2088
01:31:24,730 --> 01:31:22,520
that it's gonna help open up a lot more

2089
01:31:26,590 --> 01:31:24,740
doors and I think you know that's a good

2090
01:31:28,690 --> 01:31:26,600
thing I think that it's gonna also help

2091
01:31:31,450 --> 01:31:28,700
to get the general public more engaged

2092
01:31:33,850 --> 01:31:31,460
and willing to engage it again and I

2093
01:31:36,580 --> 01:31:33,860
think that's a good thing and you know I

2094
01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:36,590
just all the way around I'm to me this

2095
01:31:41,460 --> 01:31:39,260
is like a milestone event in my life you

2096
01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:41,470
know I'm just thrilled about it and I

2097
01:31:46,660 --> 01:31:44,510
mean that's just me speaking out to say

2098
01:31:48,370 --> 01:31:46,670
I'm glad to see all this attention that

2099
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:48,380
there was all this like news media

2100
01:31:54,490 --> 01:31:51,920
coverage four days this week man I'm

2101
01:31:58,060 --> 01:31:54,500
just just jumping up and down this is

2102
01:31:59,650 --> 01:31:58,070
what a long time well yes 60 minutes is

2103
01:32:01,090 --> 01:31:59,660
a lot better than the five minutes the

2104
01:32:02,529 --> 01:32:01,100
news generally gives these kind of

2105
01:32:04,270 --> 01:32:02,539
stories and

2106
01:32:07,419 --> 01:32:04,280
an hour and a half is better than 60

2107
01:32:10,779 --> 01:32:07,429
minutes yeah yeah and I never thought I

2108
01:32:13,629 --> 01:32:10,789
would see the day and and even this even

2109
01:32:16,959 --> 01:32:13,639
feels like it snuck up on us quick you

2110
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:16,969
know but I am so thrilled for it and and

2111
01:32:21,549 --> 01:32:18,800
you know for all the people that have

2112
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:21,559
spent a long time dr. Scott rich you

2113
01:32:26,890 --> 01:32:24,320
know Alejandra all you guys like you

2114
01:32:29,649 --> 01:32:26,900
said many years decades even you know

2115
01:32:32,169 --> 01:32:29,659
Stan Friedman Bruce Maccabee you name it

2116
01:32:33,759 --> 01:32:32,179
I mean these these guys really pave the

2117
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:33,769
way and it's finally we're seeing the

2118
01:32:39,220 --> 01:32:35,690
fruit of it and you know I came along

2119
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:39,230
you know more recently but you know I'm

2120
01:32:43,779 --> 01:32:41,840
just like I'm glad to be alive right now

2121
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:43,789
and seeing this in my lifetime because I

2122
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:46,639
really didn't or wasn't sure that we

2123
01:32:52,060 --> 01:32:49,250
would see that so it's great to not be

2124
01:32:53,620 --> 01:32:52,070
ridiculed - you stand on the shoulders

2125
01:32:56,589 --> 01:32:53,630
of giants and you know some of those

2126
01:33:00,129 --> 01:32:56,599
giants are on this very panel yeah I'll

2127
01:33:02,979 --> 01:33:00,139
say that yeah with you Shane hmm we're

2128
01:33:07,689 --> 01:33:02,989
still working the problem

2129
01:33:09,759 --> 01:33:07,699
all right so okay go ahead say that it's

2130
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:09,769
it's for me it's a privilege to work

2131
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:13,130
with people like Earl and Shane and this

2132
01:33:16,839 --> 01:33:15,199
whole group - and to have people like

2133
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:16,849
Steve Bassett come on and you know

2134
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:20,570
because you know these guys are doing

2135
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:22,880
the right thing trying to get to the

2136
01:33:26,919 --> 01:33:25,130
answers and and I'm encouraged by the

2137
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:26,929
fact that one that they're younger than

2138
01:33:34,990 --> 01:33:32,090
me in this thing but I applaud them for

2139
01:33:39,850 --> 01:33:35,000
getting involved and in this this whole

2140
01:33:42,450 --> 01:33:39,860
UFO thing it's not it's murky its muddy

2141
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:42,460
and then but the good thing is that

2142
01:33:49,709 --> 01:33:46,130
they've gotten engaged and I'm just glad

2143
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:49,719
to be on with them I applaud them for

2144
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:52,250
for taking a stand and being willing to

2145
01:33:57,729 --> 01:33:55,610
to share you know and we can learn from

2146
01:34:00,009 --> 01:33:57,739
Stanton we've talked about this in the

2147
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:00,019
last few weeks ed since his passing he

2148
01:34:05,709 --> 01:34:02,449
loved to debate he loved people with

2149
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:05,719
different views yes he loved to discuss

2150
01:34:10,660 --> 01:34:08,090
the different views and he was very

2151
01:34:12,910 --> 01:34:10,670
respectful of even Phil class I mean

2152
01:34:14,979 --> 01:34:12,920
they they had sort of a relationship and

2153
01:34:16,330 --> 01:34:14,989
even though they debated you know he was

2154
01:34:18,850 --> 01:34:16,340
very respectful

2155
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:18,860
and I think we all need to learn from

2156
01:34:23,230 --> 01:34:20,570
that and it's important right now that

2157
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:23,240
we we all be as cohesive as possible and

2158
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:25,610
that and tolerate each other

2159
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:29,600
yep okay so yeah I'm going to wrap

2160
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:31,850
everything up thanks to everybody for

2161
01:34:38,050 --> 01:34:35,120
joining us Karen Burrard rich Hoffman

2162
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:38,060
she heard Michael era Michael J Scott

2163
01:34:45,010 --> 01:34:42,320
and let's see I got a weight here hang

2164
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:45,020
on a sec our Michael J Hall sorry about

2165
01:34:49,900 --> 01:34:46,370
that I got you confused with your buddy

2166
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:49,910
Dave Scott rich Hoffman's ain't heard

2167
01:34:54,370 --> 01:34:52,400
Alejandro Rojas and of course dr. Irina

2168
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:54,380
Scott thanks everybody we did have a

2169
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:56,570
streaming issue so I will get this

2170
01:34:59,860 --> 01:34:58,880
uploaded and get you the links as soon

2171
01:35:02,050 --> 01:34:59,870
as they are available